Yes, obviously I'm making a bit of a strong point here, undiluted by necessary nuance. I don't shun otherwise good projects with a good reputation entirely from

Yes, obviously I'm making a bit of a strong point here, undiluted by necessary nuance. I don't shun otherwise good projects with a good reputation entirely from a mere sentence if I can avoid it. But the point is, I actually enjoy scripting in bash. Half the time people rant about it, there's something wrong in the argument. Not always of course, different tools for different people and all that. But having someone's primary marketing argument be a strong implication that "finally you can get rid of shitty bash and bring the joy back" rubs me the wrong way because for me it's not shitty and I'm already experiencing joy. So what I'm getting from the tagline is that it's condescending, uninformative, and the vibe I'm getting is that it's going to mess with what already works by suggesting oversimplified workarounds, which fail when you actually need that desired complexity. So this is already negatively predisposing me when it could have been avoided. Fish is similar, if you go to the webpage (https://fishshell.com/ https://fishshell.com/), the primary tagline isn't the one you mentioned (which I would have been very happy with), it's "Finally, a command line shell for the 90s". To me that's just petty, and this is despite the fact that I have tried fish before and liked it. Ironically, I then moved back to bash because in the end I decided it was still better. This isn't Coke vs Pepsi ads. I'm sure a project serving as an alternative for another popular project can promote itself without such pettiness right as the first sentence in the website. "Discover the joy of shell scripting" would have been great; but "Bring back" is petty.