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You are most certainly Western, or if not part of the educated and Western brought elites of the Global South. But I most certainly assure you that in the other
by u_sama 1y ago
You are most certainly Western, or if not part of the educated and Western brought elites of the Global South. But I most certainly assure you that in the other grand civilizations, the idea you expounded is the standard and just as you feel this idea is the objectively right one, in the other societies with other codes and ethics (Confucian, Vedic/Buddhist, Islamic or non Western Christian), the people living in them have as strong attachment to those ideas as you do. For you the 2 most important values are equality and freedom (deeply liberal values) which are not the same elsewhere.
You also have to understand that just as you are imposing your ideas as "objectively right", in the other societies the other side is doing the same. Thus you are making a political take because it is a value judgement on how societies should operate. You might not like it or not but not only is it a value judgement incompatible with most people in the world, but it is also part of a faction inside your own arena (left wing coded Western politics)
- thrance 1y agoI am indeed "Western" as you put it, and generally adhere to the description you gave of me. I do recognize my statement is political, although I did not use the word "objectively" lightly and feel like I can justify my position quite solidly. So, while the other side may claim their ideas as "objectively right" too, I am yet to see any reasoning that would give credance to such claims. Here is a succint overview of the reasoning I used to arrive at my current position on trans-identity: Facts (that you should be able to verify easily through e.g. a quick Google Scholar session): 1. Gender dysphoria is real and touches a significant part of the population. It makes those affected by it suffer mentally. 2. Transition is the only known way to cure gender dysphoria, and it does indeed work. 3. People very rarely regret transitioning (<1% of them, less than the rate of people regretting having their children, and most of these "detransitions" come from religious or social pressures). 4. Trans people are no more susceptible to committing crime (sexual or else) than the average person, if not slightly less so (they are, on the other hand, ~4 times as likely to be victims of violent crimes, because of the prejudice and rhetoric targeted at them). Axioms (that I hope we both agree on): 1. Helping people feel better, or at least not hindering them while they try to, is good. 2. Ostracizing people because of something they can't change is bad. Conlusions (that you have to agree with if you accept my axioms and my reasoning): 1. Facts 1, 2 and 3 + Axiom 1 => We should let trans people transition, and whenever possible, even help them to. 2. Fact 4 + Axiom 2 + Conclusion 1 => We should let trans people participate in society as no one gets hurt in doing so, and trans people have to transition for their own good, so it would be unfair to attack them on that basis.