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If you're still thinking both sides are the same, then maybe the conversation isn't worth it. I think status quo Democrats are a real problem that, unfortunatel

If you're still thinking both sides are the same, then maybe the conversation isn't worth it. I think status quo Democrats are a real problem that, unfortunately, helped get us here. That said, I'm not going to have the both sides conversation for the millionth time because I cannot help but think you are arguing in bad faith. I'll say it again. Context matters. They are adversarial to our allies and the "enemy within" is in reference to a nonexistent radical left. Edit: also, "voted for the Ukraine war"? Excuse me? Do you think Russia should go unchecked? After WW2, Europe more or less, conceded to the American hegemony and military power in exchange for trade overreach. For better or for worse, Europe's success is important to American success and vice versa. Russia knows this and considers Ukraine a check on western power.

cudgy 1y ago
You have zero clue about my faith. The days of the peaceful anti-war Democratic party are gone, buddy. The sooner that the Democrats realize it and start to reverse course to where they once were, the sooner the Democratic Party can return to being a viable alternative to the Republican Party, particularly as it relates to foreign policy and war decisions.
- pqtyw 1y ago
  > peaceful anti-war Democratic party are gone, buddy Do tell when this party has ever existed, besides your imagination? Few years during Carter's admin maybe... Can you name any conflict since (and including) the Mexican–American War that the Democrats opposed? (besides the Civil War of course).
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    Go further back. Try Nixon's administration.
    - pqtyw 1y ago
      Further back than the 1840s? Nixon was actually the anti-war candidate? That didn't quite workout that well but that's what he ran on... Vietnam mostly started under Kennedy, Johnson massively escalated it and Humphrey still supported continuing it. Then you had somebody like Eisenhower who wanted who both opposed prolonging Korea and was generally reticent about involving US in the Indochina War (not that he didn't misjudge the situation anyway)
  - cudgy 1y ago
    Maybe a small time period during the hippie era near the end of the Vietnam war? My main point is that I get tired of people from both sides of the aisle democrat/republican making comments about how the other side does or doesn’t do stuff that their own party does as well? It results in virtually no decent discussion and everybody pointing at each other, even though they basically want the same things. It is very cultish and unproductive.

cudgy 1y ago

You have zero clue about my faith. The days of the peaceful anti-war Democratic party are gone, buddy. The sooner that the Democrats realize it and start to reverse course to where they once were, the sooner the Democratic Party can return to being a viable alternative to the Republican Party, particularly as it relates to foreign policy and war decisions.

pqtyw 1y ago
> peaceful anti-war Democratic party are gone, buddy Do tell when this party has ever existed, besides your imagination? Few years during Carter's admin maybe... Can you name any conflict since (and including) the Mexican–American War that the Democrats opposed? (besides the Civil War of course).
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Go further back. Try Nixon's administration.
  - pqtyw 1y ago
    Further back than the 1840s? Nixon was actually the anti-war candidate? That didn't quite workout that well but that's what he ran on... Vietnam mostly started under Kennedy, Johnson massively escalated it and Humphrey still supported continuing it. Then you had somebody like Eisenhower who wanted who both opposed prolonging Korea and was generally reticent about involving US in the Indochina War (not that he didn't misjudge the situation anyway)
- cudgy 1y ago
  Maybe a small time period during the hippie era near the end of the Vietnam war? My main point is that I get tired of people from both sides of the aisle democrat/republican making comments about how the other side does or doesn’t do stuff that their own party does as well? It results in virtually no decent discussion and everybody pointing at each other, even though they basically want the same things. It is very cultish and unproductive.