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>As someone who actually worked for the Federal government when it shutdown in the past, people are exaggerating the implications for narrative purposes. This h
by apexalpha 1y ago
>As someone who actually worked for the Federal government when it shutdown in the past, people are exaggerating the implications for narrative purposes. This happens semi-routinely, there is a boring reality that goes along with it.
You seem to have normalised Government shutdowns in a way to cope with it.
But this is not normal, this does not happen in a normal government process.
- cudgy 1y agoMight be wrong but a quick search indicates that there have been 20 government shutdowns since 1976. That is certainly not not normal.
- lgats 1y agoa little more than one every 3 years
- apexalpha 1y agoAmong how many of the worlds’ governments?
- 5555624 1y agoWikipedia lists 11 in the U.S. since 1980, including this one. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_Un...) A couple were only for four hours.
- vkou 1y agoIn the rest of the civilized world, a 'government shutdown' - a no-confidence vote - would result in a snap election, where the voters immediately get to choose who to punish and who to reward with power.
- ASalazarMX 1y agoIMO, a government shutdown is a signal of a failed state. It's not a thing that should happen, and if it does, protections should be legislated immediately so it doesn't happen again. Political bickering shouldn't have reached this heights.
- vkou 1y ago> IMO, a government shutdown is a signal of a failed state. It is not a signal of a failed state. It is a signal of a failed government. The solution to that is to keep having elections until you get a government that will do the work. The signal of a failed state is the voters voting this madness in, and approving of it. A snap election in this case would likely result in more of the same. Check out the congressional approval ratings among republicans of their reps. What they are cheering on is absolutely wild.
- ethbr1 1y agoI would say there seems to be a hole in some legislature systems (Israel, Germany, India?) where the thresholds required for various functions seem unlikely to be attainable with certain vote total splits between multiple parties. And in those times, voters are unlikely to defect from parties just because. Ergo, there's a succession of very weak governments that rapidly collapse. Which doesn't seem great for governance either. Feels like a perfect system would have a better 'there is no mandate attainable, so no one gets power but a shared government is forced into office for minimum X years' numerical escape hatch.
- SilasX 1y agoA true government shutdown, yes. But here, all the nation-state-defining stuff (military, border control, police) stays up, and only parts of it shut down.
- Steltek 1y agoGoing by the wiki link further down the tree: 1980's: 4 shutdowns totaling 2 days 1990's: 3 shutdowns totaling 29 days (21 of those days was when Gingrich as Speaker) 2000's: 0 (9/11 and GWoT unity?) 2010's: 3 shutdowns totaling 54 days 2020's: This one I guess I would agree they were common but they also weren't severe until Gingrich-ism took over the GOP: putting polarization and partisanship into overdrive.
- votepaunchy 1y agoNote that the idea of a shutdown did not exist until the last four days of the Carter administration in 1981.