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If my mother or other older people i know who need Medicare, medicaid, ssn, snap lose it or see huge increases while taxes are reduced for the top 5% while tru

by scrubs 1y ago

If my mother or other older people i know who need Medicare, medicaid, ssn, snap lose it or see huge increases while taxes are reduced for the top 5% while trump enriches himself while congress remains paid and insured ... I'm gonna have to start getting involved in someway ... these (my mother and friends) people are not lazy assholes. If my ssn is screwed with which I've paid into for decades ... because of interest on debt and other basic financial mismagement ... there's gonna be push back. The overreach of the right is building cases for nyc next lefty mayor (likely) and Sanders, aoc, Robert reichs of the world btw ... too far left can have its own other problems. We don't need that either. We are in serious need of competence and getting the basics done right for the right reasons. While i could go on at length about trump's own rank stupidity we all must see the root cause is an instiutionally corrupt and incompetent congress. That power vacuum is filled by trump now.. but it's congress that bears the ultimate responsibility. Democrats are not criminally so flagrant or culpable but democrat policy and no street smarts didn't help. They are a very weak compeitor.

btilly 1y ago
You really think that the public will connect the dots. Trump's "big beautiful bill" makes a lot of those painful cuts. But it also keeps them from taking effect until too late in 2028 to affect the next election. Between now and then, the standard Republican line can be, "Democrats told you that all this will be cut. Have your benefits been cut?" They get to use that in 2026 and 2028. The cuts will have arrived by 2030, but the bill will be old news. There will be a new controversy. And people's opinions of the bill won't change. This is all on purpose.
- rayiner 1y ago
  The BBB doesn't cut shit. The biggest cut is $1 trillion in Medicaid over 10 years. Medicaid spending was $894 billion in 2023, up from $721 billion (CPI adjusted) in 2015: https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-expenditure-since-1966/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-ex.... We're not even cutting it back halfway to what it was in Obama's last year, when everything was peachy.
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  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    The USD has inflated 36% since 2015. So the 2023 budget was already an effective budget cut from 2015 of almost $100 billion (10%). So we're effectively cutting the program budget by 25% what it was in Obama's last year - and that's after kneecapping it several times legislatively WRT things like the individual mandate and before going into the rapidly rising inflation we're seeing this year leading into that decade.
    - rayiner 1y ago
      As I said, the 2015 figure I gave was already adjusted for inflation. The medicaid spending was only $495 billion in nominal dollars in 2015.
  - array_key_first 1y ago
    The BBB doesn't cut shit. It just cuts trillions of dollars. Do y'all actually hear yourself or what? Also: it's not JUST the cutting that's the problem. We're doing these cuts and getting NOTHING in return. Literally nothing. Do you know how much money we're saving? -2 trillion dollars. You are actually paying to lose money. Its legitimately unbelievable just how shit this fiscal policy is.
- scrubs 1y ago
  If true the dems should allow the government to stay closed until this can be fixed. They need some street smarts: flush out the BS now. Voters need to know what the heck is going on. I hate to write it but we may need visit a crappy local minimum (accept a crap show short term) to move back to a higher maximum than we are now. The money the US (that's us folks) spend on medicine is crimally stupid. Heck I had doctor in laws.. one runs medstar in dc both of who have nothing nice to say about the finance/insurance side of medicine. Now, I hasten to add let's not throw the baby out with the bath water: doctors and nurses are generally people who want to help through science, and that's a good thing.
rayiner 1y ago
> If my mother or other older people i know who need Medicare, medicaid, ssn, Medicare and Social Security aren't affected by the shutdown, nor are they subject to cuts.
- croon 1y ago
  ACA subsidies are set to expire at the end of the year, and democrats want to extend that. That in combination to cuts to medicare and medicaid in the BBB tax cuts that won't hit until next year, while not directly related to the shutdown, it is one of few venues for leverage in negotiations. Especially after GOP promises of no cuts in medicare and medicaid which were obviously broken with that bill.
intended 1y ago
Sadly, the time to get involved was a while ago. At this point, the root cause analysis leads to a highly efficient right wing media scape. Efficient because it’s given up on accuracy, and optimized on narrative effectiveness. Trump has a 60%+ approval rating amongst republicans right now, down from 77 in June July (iirc) and even higher in march. There is no healing a wound, if the source of aggravation is constantly present. It is also hard to categorize it as a wound, if all Fox and the right media ecosystem is doing, is simply exercising their right to free speech. They just happen to be in lock step with their party, and they’ve spent decades aiming to fill seats, and ensure bipartisan leaning politicians get ousted. None of this is obviously wrong or illegal, it’s simply focusing on the rules as opposed to the spirit and the norms. They are “winning”, against science, norms, public opinion and more. This is the mountain that has to be climbed, and most people are still under the impression that this is business as usual, or that this is simply the pendulum of history moving in the opposite direction.
danaris 1y ago
> too far left can have its own other problems. If you think that any of the names you mentioned are remotely as far left as the current administration is far right, you have been swallowing propaganda whole.
- scrubs 1y ago
  @danaris hey get with the program. The morons in congress have pissed way the last 30 years in the kind of bs you give above. Nobody cares anymore. Who has edge or where the edge is between the two parties.. nobody cares. Whether one sides "facts" are propaganda or not ... nobody cares. The salient points are just two: - extremes make extremes and neither is good for the US - congress needs competent technocratic solutions to budget, debt, and other things in the practical realm of running a government. Pretty boys on tv talking s** means nothing. The fiest 40 minutes of the breakfast club is the problem.
  - danaris 1y ago
    > - extremes make extremes and neither is good for the US Which would be more salient if there were, in fact, an extreme left in the US. Think about this for just a minute: What would extremes on both sides look like? On the left, it would likely look like a platform of jailing or murdering all billionaires, confiscating the wealth of everyone above, say, $10M and redistributing it to the populace, nationalizing all major businesses, etc. On the right, it would likely look like a platform of jailing, deporting, or murdering all non-white people, enforcing a specific view of Christianity on everyone, and redistributing wealth from the poor to the wealthy. One of these sounds a hell of a lot like the platform of one of our major parties, and it sure as hell isn't the Democratic Party.

by scrubs 1y ago

btilly 1y ago

You really think that the public will connect the dots. Trump's "big beautiful bill" makes a lot of those painful cuts. But it also keeps them from taking effect until too late in 2028 to affect the next election. Between now and then, the standard Republican line can be, "Democrats told you that all this will be cut. Have your benefits been cut?" They get to use that in 2026 and 2028. The cuts will have arrived by 2030, but the bill will be old news. There will be a new controversy. And people's opinions of the bill won't change. This is all on purpose.

rayiner 1y ago
The BBB doesn't cut shit. The biggest cut is $1 trillion in Medicaid over 10 years. Medicaid spending was $894 billion in 2023, up from $721 billion (CPI adjusted) in 2015: https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-expenditure-since-1966/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-ex.... We're not even cutting it back halfway to what it was in Obama's last year, when everything was peachy.
- deleted 1y ago
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- Tadpole9181 1y ago
  The USD has inflated 36% since 2015. So the 2023 budget was already an effective budget cut from 2015 of almost $100 billion (10%). So we're effectively cutting the program budget by 25% what it was in Obama's last year - and that's after kneecapping it several times legislatively WRT things like the individual mandate and before going into the rapidly rising inflation we're seeing this year leading into that decade.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    As I said, the 2015 figure I gave was already adjusted for inflation. The medicaid spending was only $495 billion in nominal dollars in 2015.
- array_key_first 1y ago
  The BBB doesn't cut shit. It just cuts trillions of dollars. Do y'all actually hear yourself or what? Also: it's not JUST the cutting that's the problem. We're doing these cuts and getting NOTHING in return. Literally nothing. Do you know how much money we're saving? -2 trillion dollars. You are actually paying to lose money. Its legitimately unbelievable just how shit this fiscal policy is.
scrubs 1y ago
If true the dems should allow the government to stay closed until this can be fixed. They need some street smarts: flush out the BS now. Voters need to know what the heck is going on. I hate to write it but we may need visit a crappy local minimum (accept a crap show short term) to move back to a higher maximum than we are now. The money the US (that's us folks) spend on medicine is crimally stupid. Heck I had doctor in laws.. one runs medstar in dc both of who have nothing nice to say about the finance/insurance side of medicine. Now, I hasten to add let's not throw the baby out with the bath water: doctors and nurses are generally people who want to help through science, and that's a good thing.

rayiner 1y ago

> If my mother or other older people i know who need Medicare, medicaid, ssn, Medicare and Social Security aren't affected by the shutdown, nor are they subject to cuts.

croon 1y ago
ACA subsidies are set to expire at the end of the year, and democrats want to extend that. That in combination to cuts to medicare and medicaid in the BBB tax cuts that won't hit until next year, while not directly related to the shutdown, it is one of few venues for leverage in negotiations. Especially after GOP promises of no cuts in medicare and medicaid which were obviously broken with that bill.

intended 1y ago

Sadly, the time to get involved was a while ago. At this point, the root cause analysis leads to a highly efficient right wing media scape. Efficient because it’s given up on accuracy, and optimized on narrative effectiveness. Trump has a 60%+ approval rating amongst republicans right now, down from 77 in June July (iirc) and even higher in march. There is no healing a wound, if the source of aggravation is constantly present. It is also hard to categorize it as a wound, if all Fox and the right media ecosystem is doing, is simply exercising their right to free speech. They just happen to be in lock step with their party, and they’ve spent decades aiming to fill seats, and ensure bipartisan leaning politicians get ousted. None of this is obviously wrong or illegal, it’s simply focusing on the rules as opposed to the spirit and the norms. They are “winning”, against science, norms, public opinion and more. This is the mountain that has to be climbed, and most people are still under the impression that this is business as usual, or that this is simply the pendulum of history moving in the opposite direction.

danaris 1y ago

> too far left can have its own other problems. If you think that any of the names you mentioned are remotely as far left as the current administration is far right, you have been swallowing propaganda whole.

scrubs 1y ago
@danaris hey get with the program. The morons in congress have pissed way the last 30 years in the kind of bs you give above. Nobody cares anymore. Who has edge or where the edge is between the two parties.. nobody cares. Whether one sides "facts" are propaganda or not ... nobody cares. The salient points are just two: - extremes make extremes and neither is good for the US - congress needs competent technocratic solutions to budget, debt, and other things in the practical realm of running a government. Pretty boys on tv talking s** means nothing. The fiest 40 minutes of the breakfast club is the problem.
- danaris 1y ago
  > - extremes make extremes and neither is good for the US Which would be more salient if there were, in fact, an extreme left in the US. Think about this for just a minute: What would extremes on both sides look like? On the left, it would likely look like a platform of jailing or murdering all billionaires, confiscating the wealth of everyone above, say, $10M and redistributing it to the populace, nationalizing all major businesses, etc. On the right, it would likely look like a platform of jailing, deporting, or murdering all non-white people, enforcing a specific view of Christianity on everyone, and redistributing wealth from the poor to the wealthy. One of these sounds a hell of a lot like the platform of one of our major parties, and it sure as hell isn't the Democratic Party.