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Budget requires 60 votes. Denocrats are voting against continuing the current budget that they passed while Joe Biden was president.

dyauspitr 1y ago
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voxl 1y ago
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gdulli 1y ago
Blatantly wrong, since a focus of theirs is extending the current ACA funding from the previous budget which the current proposed budget doesn't have. Do you repeat the talking points sincerely without understanding them, or disingenuously with an understanding of why they're false? I mean, do you understand how many pages and details there are in a federal budget, do you think it's plausible that an incoming administration wouldn't make hundreds of changes from the budget of an administration of the opposite party? That's a plausible scenario?
- parineum 1y ago
  The funding that is going away from the ACA was emergency funding from COVID that was scheduled to end.
jsiepkes 1y ago
Doesn't even matter if it's 60 because the GOP has 3 members voting against. Meaning they couldn't even get 51 if they used budget reconciliation. BTW the reason they can't use budget reconciliation is because of a hole they dug themselves in.
scrubs 1y ago
If my mother or other older people i know who need Medicare, medicaid, ssn, snap lose it or see huge increases while taxes are reduced for the top 5% while trump enriches himself while congress remains paid and insured ... I'm gonna have to start getting involved in someway ... these (my mother and friends) people are not lazy assholes. If my ssn is screwed with which I've paid into for decades ... because of interest on debt and other basic financial mismagement ... there's gonna be push back. The overreach of the right is building cases for nyc next lefty mayor (likely) and Sanders, aoc, Robert reichs of the world btw ... too far left can have its own other problems. We don't need that either. We are in serious need of competence and getting the basics done right for the right reasons. While i could go on at length about trump's own rank stupidity we all must see the root cause is an instiutionally corrupt and incompetent congress. That power vacuum is filled by trump now.. but it's congress that bears the ultimate responsibility. Democrats are not criminally so flagrant or culpable but democrat policy and no street smarts didn't help. They are a very weak compeitor.
- btilly 1y ago
  You really think that the public will connect the dots. Trump's "big beautiful bill" makes a lot of those painful cuts. But it also keeps them from taking effect until too late in 2028 to affect the next election. Between now and then, the standard Republican line can be, "Democrats told you that all this will be cut. Have your benefits been cut?" They get to use that in 2026 and 2028. The cuts will have arrived by 2030, but the bill will be old news. There will be a new controversy. And people's opinions of the bill won't change. This is all on purpose.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    The BBB doesn't cut shit. The biggest cut is $1 trillion in Medicaid over 10 years. Medicaid spending was $894 billion in 2023, up from $721 billion (CPI adjusted) in 2015: https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-expenditure-since-1966/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-ex.... We're not even cutting it back halfway to what it was in Obama's last year, when everything was peachy.
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    - Tadpole9181 1y ago
      The USD has inflated 36% since 2015. So the 2023 budget was already an effective budget cut from 2015 of almost $100 billion (10%). So we're effectively cutting the program budget by 25% what it was in Obama's last year - and that's after kneecapping it several times legislatively WRT things like the individual mandate and before going into the rapidly rising inflation we're seeing this year leading into that decade.
      - rayiner 1y ago
        As I said, the 2015 figure I gave was already adjusted for inflation. The medicaid spending was only $495 billion in nominal dollars in 2015.
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smt88 1y ago
Do you already not remember DOGE, the Big Beautiful Bill, and Trump just refusing to spend money that Congress had allocated already? This budget has veered sharply away from Biden's budget.
- parineum 1y ago
  And shutting down the government gives him more power, not less.
  - rockercoaster 1y ago
    If that's actually beneficial to Trump then none of this matters, because the Republicans can just shut it down themselves no matter what the democrats want or do. Meanwhile, what power might this give him that he hasn't already seized without resistance from Congress? He's taken spending power and partially claimed taxation power already. He's been illegally firing people his entire term so far, often en masse. So what's the "more power"?
  - smt88 1y ago
    I don't think it's possible to predict this, even with a fully stable and rational White House. It's often impossible to know how things can or will backfire.
anigbrowl 1y ago
Maybe the GOP should compromise with them if they need their votes, no?
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  The problem is a GOP compromise is just empty air. After the bill passes, the president will just cut stuff out of it on his own, and Congress will do nothing.
exe34 1y ago
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JohnTHaller 1y ago
Multiple Republicans voted against it, didn't bother showing up, and refused to even open the House for more than 2 minutes yesterday.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
Joe Biden didn't cut Healthcare spending. Do you even know why this CR is failing? Did you already forget the highly contentious megabill passed that no Democrat agreed with? They barely eeked out a majority, now when they need 20 more to agree to "continue" that it doesn't work out. Surprise.

dyauspitr 1y ago

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voxl 1y ago

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gdulli 1y ago

Blatantly wrong, since a focus of theirs is extending the current ACA funding from the previous budget which the current proposed budget doesn't have. Do you repeat the talking points sincerely without understanding them, or disingenuously with an understanding of why they're false? I mean, do you understand how many pages and details there are in a federal budget, do you think it's plausible that an incoming administration wouldn't make hundreds of changes from the budget of an administration of the opposite party? That's a plausible scenario?

parineum 1y ago
The funding that is going away from the ACA was emergency funding from COVID that was scheduled to end.

jsiepkes 1y ago

Doesn't even matter if it's 60 because the GOP has 3 members voting against. Meaning they couldn't even get 51 if they used budget reconciliation. BTW the reason they can't use budget reconciliation is because of a hole they dug themselves in.

scrubs 1y ago

If my mother or other older people i know who need Medicare, medicaid, ssn, snap lose it or see huge increases while taxes are reduced for the top 5% while trump enriches himself while congress remains paid and insured ... I'm gonna have to start getting involved in someway ... these (my mother and friends) people are not lazy assholes. If my ssn is screwed with which I've paid into for decades ... because of interest on debt and other basic financial mismagement ... there's gonna be push back. The overreach of the right is building cases for nyc next lefty mayor (likely) and Sanders, aoc, Robert reichs of the world btw ... too far left can have its own other problems. We don't need that either. We are in serious need of competence and getting the basics done right for the right reasons. While i could go on at length about trump's own rank stupidity we all must see the root cause is an instiutionally corrupt and incompetent congress. That power vacuum is filled by trump now.. but it's congress that bears the ultimate responsibility. Democrats are not criminally so flagrant or culpable but democrat policy and no street smarts didn't help. They are a very weak compeitor.

btilly 1y ago
You really think that the public will connect the dots. Trump's "big beautiful bill" makes a lot of those painful cuts. But it also keeps them from taking effect until too late in 2028 to affect the next election. Between now and then, the standard Republican line can be, "Democrats told you that all this will be cut. Have your benefits been cut?" They get to use that in 2026 and 2028. The cuts will have arrived by 2030, but the bill will be old news. There will be a new controversy. And people's opinions of the bill won't change. This is all on purpose.
- rayiner 1y ago
  The BBB doesn't cut shit. The biggest cut is $1 trillion in Medicaid over 10 years. Medicaid spending was $894 billion in 2023, up from $721 billion (CPI adjusted) in 2015: https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-expenditure-since-1966/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-ex.... We're not even cutting it back halfway to what it was in Obama's last year, when everything was peachy.
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  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    The USD has inflated 36% since 2015. So the 2023 budget was already an effective budget cut from 2015 of almost $100 billion (10%). So we're effectively cutting the program budget by 25% what it was in Obama's last year - and that's after kneecapping it several times legislatively WRT things like the individual mandate and before going into the rapidly rising inflation we're seeing this year leading into that decade.
    - rayiner 1y ago
      As I said, the 2015 figure I gave was already adjusted for inflation. The medicaid spending was only $495 billion in nominal dollars in 2015.
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smt88 1y ago

Do you already not remember DOGE, the Big Beautiful Bill, and Trump just refusing to spend money that Congress had allocated already? This budget has veered sharply away from Biden's budget.

parineum 1y ago
And shutting down the government gives him more power, not less.
- rockercoaster 1y ago
  If that's actually beneficial to Trump then none of this matters, because the Republicans can just shut it down themselves no matter what the democrats want or do. Meanwhile, what power might this give him that he hasn't already seized without resistance from Congress? He's taken spending power and partially claimed taxation power already. He's been illegally firing people his entire term so far, often en masse. So what's the "more power"?
- smt88 1y ago
  I don't think it's possible to predict this, even with a fully stable and rational White House. It's often impossible to know how things can or will backfire.

anigbrowl 1y ago

Maybe the GOP should compromise with them if they need their votes, no?

amanaplanacanal 1y ago
The problem is a GOP compromise is just empty air. After the bill passes, the president will just cut stuff out of it on his own, and Congress will do nothing.

exe34 1y ago

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JohnTHaller 1y ago

Multiple Republicans voted against it, didn't bother showing up, and refused to even open the House for more than 2 minutes yesterday.

johnnyanmac 1y ago

Joe Biden didn't cut Healthcare spending. Do you even know why this CR is failing? Did you already forget the highly contentious megabill passed that no Democrat agreed with? They barely eeked out a majority, now when they need 20 more to agree to "continue" that it doesn't work out. Surprise.