4 ms·

I think the point 2 will rub many people the wrong way (me included) though. That would make reading Fourth Wing or Twilight a more connecting experience than m

I think the point 2 will rub many people the wrong way (me included) though. That would make reading Fourth Wing or Twilight a more connecting experience than most classics. (Nothing inherently wrong with that, but... you know...)

matthewaveryusa 1y ago
The classics were classic because they were the most available and the most popular stories of their time, and they meant more in an era where creating and disseminating media was difficult. I love to romanticize a world where we go back to the classics to connect with our past and present better, even if just for the sake of efficiency. For better or for worse media is more ephemeral which means getting to a common vocabulary is one step removed. It's really a fun time to be alive.
- echelon 1y ago
  Welcome to the future, where the notion of "classics" is just a point in the memetic information manifold: https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 (Music video with Sam Altman as Skibidi Toilet) This is pretty fun. These keep getting wilder and wilder: https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 (Kinda gross) https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 (Japanese) It can do cartoons: https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1973158674899280077 https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1973158674899280077 (Rick and Morty) https://x.com/TheJasonRink/status/1973163915476611314 https://x.com/TheJasonRink/status/1973163915476611314 (Family Guy) https://x.com/cfryant/status/1973162037305024650 https://x.com/cfryant/status/1973162037305024650 (Family Guy Horror) Incredibly convincing anime: https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973164820863262748 https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973164820863262748 Minecraft meets GTA: https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1973160337752121435 https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1973160337752121435 Super Mario in the real world: https://x.com/skirano/status/1973184329619743217 https://x.com/skirano/status/1973184329619743217 Super solid looking movie trailer: https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447 https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447 Damn: https://x.com/theo/status/1973210960522559746 https://x.com/theo/status/1973210960522559746
  - ketlag 1y ago
    If you think this stuff is going to last longer than four months, dog, we're cooked.
    - echelon 1y ago
      I've been watching these videos for about an hour now. I really want to call this the "Suno moment" for AI video. Prior to Sora 2, you had to prompt a lot of clips which you then edited together. You had to create a starting frame, maybe do some editing. Roll the dice a lot. Veo 3 gave us the first glimpse of a complex ensemble clip with multiple actors talking in a typically social media or standup comedy fashion. But it was still just an ingredient for some larger composition, and it was missing a lot of the soul that a story with a beginning-middle-end structure has. Sora 2 has some internal storytelling mechanic. I'm not sure what they did, but it understands narrative structure and puts videos into an arc. You see the characters change over the course of the video. They're not just animated Harry Potter portraits. They're alive. And they do things that change the world they're in. Furthermore, Sora 2 has really good "taste" and "aesthetic", if that makes sense. It has good understanding of shot types, good compositions, good editing, good audio. It does music. It brings together so much complexity in choice and arranges them into a very good final output. I'm actually quite blown away by this. Just like Suno made AI music simple and easy - it handled lyrics, chorus, beat, medley, etc. - this model handles all of the ingredients of a 10 second video. It's stunning. Sora 2 isn't the highest quality video model. It doesn't have the best animation. But it's the best content machine I've ever seen.
      - Cthulhu_ 1y ago
        I can see this, it's extremely impressive from a technological standpoint, and I've already been caught by the first convincing fakes on Reddit (an army person giving an anti-Trump speech). But I'm also worried, as it's a super easy channel to create convincing fakes, mass produced 'content' for mass consumption, etc. Now these things aren't new, fake videos / images go back decades if not a century. But they took some effort to make, whereas this technology makes it possible for it to take less effort than it took for me to write this comment. Of course, it's always my choice; if I stop visiting Reddit and touch grass instead it really won't affect me directly.
- cptaj 1y ago
  The thing is that literature, and art in general, should be more than just entertainment. It should edify the reader, communicate some concept, moral lesson or keen insight about the world. Remember when you were taught to extract the "moral of the story" in school? That was the whole point. That form of communication is what makes art valuable and it definitely is what makes some art more valuable than others.
skydhash 1y ago
If you've read the classics, then you will likely find a circle you can connect too. I've gone through "The Malazan Book of the Fallen" and it's a signal to know who are truly in epic military fantasy.
rixed 1y ago
Depends if you are trying to connect to your contemporaries or to mankind in general. Aren't "classics" just timeless pop?
failingforward 1y ago
> That would make reading Fourth Wing or Twilight a more connecting experience than most classics. I prefer classics myself, but this is exactly why booktok works (and why Fourth Wing blew up the way it did).
bradstewart 1y ago
Reading the classics, in some sense, connects you to everyone who ever read them across all of human history. That's not nothing.

matthewaveryusa 1y ago

The classics were classic because they were the most available and the most popular stories of their time, and they meant more in an era where creating and disseminating media was difficult. I love to romanticize a world where we go back to the classics to connect with our past and present better, even if just for the sake of efficiency. For better or for worse media is more ephemeral which means getting to a common vocabulary is one step removed. It's really a fun time to be alive.

echelon 1y ago
Welcome to the future, where the notion of "classics" is just a point in the memetic information manifold: https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 (Music video with Sam Altman as Skibidi Toilet) This is pretty fun. These keep getting wilder and wilder: https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 (Kinda gross) https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 (Japanese) It can do cartoons: https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1973158674899280077 https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1973158674899280077 (Rick and Morty) https://x.com/TheJasonRink/status/1973163915476611314 https://x.com/TheJasonRink/status/1973163915476611314 (Family Guy) https://x.com/cfryant/status/1973162037305024650 https://x.com/cfryant/status/1973162037305024650 (Family Guy Horror) Incredibly convincing anime: https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973164820863262748 https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973164820863262748 Minecraft meets GTA: https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1973160337752121435 https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1973160337752121435 Super Mario in the real world: https://x.com/skirano/status/1973184329619743217 https://x.com/skirano/status/1973184329619743217 Super solid looking movie trailer: https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447 https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447 Damn: https://x.com/theo/status/1973210960522559746 https://x.com/theo/status/1973210960522559746
- ketlag 1y ago
  If you think this stuff is going to last longer than four months, dog, we're cooked.
  - echelon 1y ago
    I've been watching these videos for about an hour now. I really want to call this the "Suno moment" for AI video. Prior to Sora 2, you had to prompt a lot of clips which you then edited together. You had to create a starting frame, maybe do some editing. Roll the dice a lot. Veo 3 gave us the first glimpse of a complex ensemble clip with multiple actors talking in a typically social media or standup comedy fashion. But it was still just an ingredient for some larger composition, and it was missing a lot of the soul that a story with a beginning-middle-end structure has. Sora 2 has some internal storytelling mechanic. I'm not sure what they did, but it understands narrative structure and puts videos into an arc. You see the characters change over the course of the video. They're not just animated Harry Potter portraits. They're alive. And they do things that change the world they're in. Furthermore, Sora 2 has really good "taste" and "aesthetic", if that makes sense. It has good understanding of shot types, good compositions, good editing, good audio. It does music. It brings together so much complexity in choice and arranges them into a very good final output. I'm actually quite blown away by this. Just like Suno made AI music simple and easy - it handled lyrics, chorus, beat, medley, etc. - this model handles all of the ingredients of a 10 second video. It's stunning. Sora 2 isn't the highest quality video model. It doesn't have the best animation. But it's the best content machine I've ever seen.
    - Cthulhu_ 1y ago
      I can see this, it's extremely impressive from a technological standpoint, and I've already been caught by the first convincing fakes on Reddit (an army person giving an anti-Trump speech). But I'm also worried, as it's a super easy channel to create convincing fakes, mass produced 'content' for mass consumption, etc. Now these things aren't new, fake videos / images go back decades if not a century. But they took some effort to make, whereas this technology makes it possible for it to take less effort than it took for me to write this comment. Of course, it's always my choice; if I stop visiting Reddit and touch grass instead it really won't affect me directly.
cptaj 1y ago
The thing is that literature, and art in general, should be more than just entertainment. It should edify the reader, communicate some concept, moral lesson or keen insight about the world. Remember when you were taught to extract the "moral of the story" in school? That was the whole point. That form of communication is what makes art valuable and it definitely is what makes some art more valuable than others.

skydhash 1y ago

If you've read the classics, then you will likely find a circle you can connect too. I've gone through "The Malazan Book of the Fallen" and it's a signal to know who are truly in epic military fantasy.

rixed 1y ago

Depends if you are trying to connect to your contemporaries or to mankind in general. Aren't "classics" just timeless pop?

failingforward 1y ago

> That would make reading Fourth Wing or Twilight a more connecting experience than most classics. I prefer classics myself, but this is exactly why booktok works (and why Fourth Wing blew up the way it did).

bradstewart 1y ago

Reading the classics, in some sense, connects you to everyone who ever read them across all of human history. That's not nothing.