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I play in a band. Since we're just 4 people a code of conduct would be ridiculous. What isn't ridiculous however is that a group of people who do some shit toge

by atoav 1y ago

I play in a band. Since we're just 4 people a code of conduct would be ridiculous. What isn't ridiculous however is that a group of people who do some shit together need to be somewhat on the same page what is acceptable and what isn't. You don't need that with just friends, but any project beyond friends needs people to agree on what kind of social space this is meant to be. If you don't talk it out the shittiest person is going to define it for you. And beyond a certain size formalizing that makes sense. Not as a tool for punishment or to point to, but so everybody can be on the same page and you know if someone acts out of line they do so despite better knowledge. If a code of conducts contains stuff you are within the bounds of anyways, why would you care it is there?

justinclift 1y ago
> If a code of conducts contains stuff you are within the bounds of anyways, why would you care it is there? If it would contain stuff you're within bounds of anyways, then it's entirely unneeded. :)
- atoav 1y ago
  Yes sure, but what I mean here is stuff, that can start interpersonal conflicts. To stay with the band example, different people will have different sensibilties around their equipment and how to respectfully treat it. If everybody does it their way you basically guarantee some sort of clash. The solution is to make a general rule that may seem overly sensitive to that one punk member that throws their gear on a pile, but everybody else is happy and the conflicts are avoided. What I want to say here, is that a good code of conduct deals with the stuff that is open to interpretation and defines it. So if our punk-bandmate throws the singers gear on a pile we don't have to argue about different definitions of how we expect others gear to be treated. So it is needed precisely because everybody thinks they are just acting normal and within bounds, even when the majority thinks they are not.
integralid 1y ago
>If a code of conducts contains stuff you are within the bounds of anyways, why would you care it is there? Maybe he don't want to exclude people who are outside of the CoC norms, but can still be valuable contributors.

by atoav 1y ago

justinclift 1y ago

> If a code of conducts contains stuff you are within the bounds of anyways, why would you care it is there? If it would contain stuff you're within bounds of anyways, then it's entirely unneeded. :)

atoav 1y ago
Yes sure, but what I mean here is stuff, that can start interpersonal conflicts. To stay with the band example, different people will have different sensibilties around their equipment and how to respectfully treat it. If everybody does it their way you basically guarantee some sort of clash. The solution is to make a general rule that may seem overly sensitive to that one punk member that throws their gear on a pile, but everybody else is happy and the conflicts are avoided. What I want to say here, is that a good code of conduct deals with the stuff that is open to interpretation and defines it. So if our punk-bandmate throws the singers gear on a pile we don't have to argue about different definitions of how we expect others gear to be treated. So it is needed precisely because everybody thinks they are just acting normal and within bounds, even when the majority thinks they are not.

integralid 1y ago

>If a code of conducts contains stuff you are within the bounds of anyways, why would you care it is there? Maybe he don't want to exclude people who are outside of the CoC norms, but can still be valuable contributors.