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I think that you've made my point really quite well. I gave perhaps the most basic possible example of accommodation, adjusting a single word with no impact on

I think that you've made my point really quite well. I gave perhaps the most basic possible example of accommodation, adjusting a single word with no impact on other project members and you were still able to argue about it. > Maybe you believe it is necessary to identify yourself online as belonging to some group, perhaps in order to force a change, but again I think this is just trying to play politics where it's often not welcome. People just want to be themselves. If the very act of appearing to be from a different group is "playing politics" then what you actually mean is "you cannot be different". This behavior is exactly why a CoC is needed.

majorchord 1y ago
I think "playing politics" means trying to get people to change something, or how a group of people is managed. Not all projects want other people telling them what to do or what they should or shouldn't do, and I think that's perfectly ok. If "people being themselves" means making SJW politics their entire identity and spraying it across the internet, then I'd say it's likely they're not going to be welcome in many places, CoC or not. I think you could argue having any rule that someone happens to disagree with is telling them "you cannot be different"... people have to draw the line somewhere, or there wouldn't be rules. Who are we to say what's right or wrong in someone else's project? And I think your argument still dismisses the weaponization that many people are seeing... maybe you call it their identity being someone who wants to change things... but that doesn't mean they should always get what they want.
- thunderfork 1y ago
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- kelnos 1y ago
  > I think "playing politics" means trying to get people to change something, or how a group of people is managed. That's probably where the disagreement/misunderstanding is. I don't think that's a definition of "playing politics" that most people would agree with.
  - majorchord 1y ago
    IDK, it seems to fit with the definition to me: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics > the activities of ... people who try to influence the way a country is governed Britannica says politics is "the opinions that someone has about what should be done." "playing politics" itself apparently also has its own definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/play%20politics https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/play%20politics But I moreso meant the plain politics definition.

majorchord 1y ago

I think "playing politics" means trying to get people to change something, or how a group of people is managed. Not all projects want other people telling them what to do or what they should or shouldn't do, and I think that's perfectly ok. If "people being themselves" means making SJW politics their entire identity and spraying it across the internet, then I'd say it's likely they're not going to be welcome in many places, CoC or not. I think you could argue having any rule that someone happens to disagree with is telling them "you cannot be different"... people have to draw the line somewhere, or there wouldn't be rules. Who are we to say what's right or wrong in someone else's project? And I think your argument still dismisses the weaponization that many people are seeing... maybe you call it their identity being someone who wants to change things... but that doesn't mean they should always get what they want.

thunderfork 1y ago
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kelnos 1y ago
> I think "playing politics" means trying to get people to change something, or how a group of people is managed. That's probably where the disagreement/misunderstanding is. I don't think that's a definition of "playing politics" that most people would agree with.
- majorchord 1y ago
  IDK, it seems to fit with the definition to me: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics > the activities of ... people who try to influence the way a country is governed Britannica says politics is "the opinions that someone has about what should be done." "playing politics" itself apparently also has its own definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/play%20politics https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/play%20politics But I moreso meant the plain politics definition.