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Looking forward to what AI-generated flight control software can do!

by recursivedoubts 1y ago

blackbear_ 1y ago
Fly-by-vibe?
- DontBreakAlex 1y ago
  VFR = Vibe Flight Rules
ionwake 1y ago
I mean it couldnt be worse than what they released last time could it? EDIT> what is scarier? the quality of the software they released or that someone on HN is defending it?
- jimbo808 1y ago
  I mean, they botched one piece of software in order to retrofit an old plane with catastrophic results. God knows what the Wall Street zombie version of Boeing will do with a whole new plane, especially in the age of AI enshittification.
  - lemonlearnings 1y ago
    Also the maga tariff and bizarre interventions age.
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  No situation is so bad that it cannot possibly be made worse
Mistletoe 1y ago
You’re absolutely right! The engines do not appear to be working. What I actually meant to do is, of course, turn the engines on. As you can see, they should now be working correctly. Sorry about that, thanks for correcting me!
- quijoteuniv 1y ago
  We are about to crash, did you really turn them on? I still have no control of the plane
  - thfuran 1y ago
    You’re absolutely right! The engines do not appear to be working. What I actually meant to do is, of course, turn the engines on. As you can see, they should now be working correctly. Sorry about that, thanks for correcting me!
    - fragmede 1y ago
      Hey! There's no emdash! This is human generated content. Flagging and also emailing @dang to have it taken down.
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downrightmike 1y ago
Hey hey hey, the $9/hr software engineer will be doing all the work, unless they can find a $1/hr guy. The first guy should just become a vendor and subcontract down to the $1/hr guy, that's what the rest of Boeing's supply chain is doing already. https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/article/22027840/boeings-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/article/22027840/b...
- lemonlearnings 1y ago
  Ah the hitman business model
jordanb 1y ago
During the MCAS scandal I saw a report that the software developers who wrote it were offshored and being paid something like $13/hr. While there weren't actually coding flaws in MCAS in that it did what the spec said, I've met people who work in avionics and they would have pushed back against the specification because they tend to think about how their component integrates into the system. Obviously it's impossible to prove that, had the software been developed by people specializing in avionics they would have caught the problem but it's just another hole in the swiss cheese model: when you outsource your avionics software development to an offshore contractor who was making a webstore yesterday and will be making an iphone app tomorrow, you eliminate the possibility that the implementers could do an informed critique of the spec.
flykespice 1y ago
Prompt: "Do a barrel roll!"
- rjsw 1y ago
  The 367-80 did it fine [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_367-80#Barrel_roll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_367-80#Barrel_roll

Looking forward to what AI-generated flight control software can do!

blackbear_ 1y ago

Fly-by-vibe?

DontBreakAlex 1y ago
VFR = Vibe Flight Rules

ionwake 1y ago

I mean it couldnt be worse than what they released last time could it? EDIT> what is scarier? the quality of the software they released or that someone on HN is defending it?

jimbo808 1y ago
I mean, they botched one piece of software in order to retrofit an old plane with catastrophic results. God knows what the Wall Street zombie version of Boeing will do with a whole new plane, especially in the age of AI enshittification.
- lemonlearnings 1y ago
  Also the maga tariff and bizarre interventions age.
cjbgkagh 1y ago
No situation is so bad that it cannot possibly be made worse

Mistletoe 1y ago

You’re absolutely right! The engines do not appear to be working. What I actually meant to do is, of course, turn the engines on. As you can see, they should now be working correctly. Sorry about that, thanks for correcting me!

quijoteuniv 1y ago
We are about to crash, did you really turn them on? I still have no control of the plane
- thfuran 1y ago
  You’re absolutely right! The engines do not appear to be working. What I actually meant to do is, of course, turn the engines on. As you can see, they should now be working correctly. Sorry about that, thanks for correcting me!
  - fragmede 1y ago
    Hey! There's no emdash! This is human generated content. Flagging and also emailing @dang to have it taken down.

deleted 1y ago

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downrightmike 1y ago

Hey hey hey, the $9/hr software engineer will be doing all the work, unless they can find a $1/hr guy. The first guy should just become a vendor and subcontract down to the $1/hr guy, that's what the rest of Boeing's supply chain is doing already. https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/article/22027840/boeings-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/article/22027840/b...

lemonlearnings 1y ago
Ah the hitman business model

jordanb 1y ago

During the MCAS scandal I saw a report that the software developers who wrote it were offshored and being paid something like $13/hr. While there weren't actually coding flaws in MCAS in that it did what the spec said, I've met people who work in avionics and they would have pushed back against the specification because they tend to think about how their component integrates into the system. Obviously it's impossible to prove that, had the software been developed by people specializing in avionics they would have caught the problem but it's just another hole in the swiss cheese model: when you outsource your avionics software development to an offshore contractor who was making a webstore yesterday and will be making an iphone app tomorrow, you eliminate the possibility that the implementers could do an informed critique of the spec.

flykespice 1y ago

Prompt: "Do a barrel roll!"

rjsw 1y ago
The 367-80 did it fine [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_367-80#Barrel_roll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_367-80#Barrel_roll