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Sure. Apples never made lemons if you completely ignore all their failures. What instantly springs to mind is the keyboard saga. Those laptops were lemons. Here

Sure. Apples never made lemons if you completely ignore all their failures. What instantly springs to mind is the keyboard saga. Those laptops were lemons. Here are some more product failures, arguably listed there are plenty of lemons: https://qz.com/apples-12-worst-product-failures-of-all-time-1851112540 https://qz.com/apples-12-worst-product-failures-of-all-time-... Not listed but I would absolutely list the screen nub a usability failure and I consider my work laptop and work phone a lemon because of it. I’d also consider large phones a usability failure. My work phone is a Iphone 13 Mini. Brand capture is powerful but maybe only if you’re willing to eat the propaganda.

bitwize 1y ago
The first 2006 Intel MacBook Pros had a bad batch somewhere. I knew a bunch of guys who bought one as soon as they came out, and within a week every single one of those MBPs was in the shop. I bought a $900 Compaq Athlon64 laptop. It still works today and never needed repairs.
- rusk 1y ago
  These are all examples of lemon devices. Not of a lemon market.
  - righthand 1y ago
    Differentiating a lemon from a lemon-market is moving the goal posts.
rusk 1y ago
> Brand capture is powerful but maybe only if you’re willing to eat the propaganda. Correct. The brand stays solid. The keyboard, the ribbon, there were a few citrus aspects to that generation but they rolled it back in the next generation. Crucially, it only affected a small (but vocal!) niche market so the brand remained solid. To be clear. I’m not making the case that Apple haven’t made mistakes or lemons, but that they have not entered the “lemon market” and continue to demand, and receive a premium for their goods.
- righthand 1y ago
  I think you’re conflating lemons with “mid-range product”. Apple controls a lot of hardware, leaving competitors with a huge disadvantage. So the mid-range market aren’t ALL lemons as you’re implying. > To be clear. I’m not making the case that Apple haven’t made mistakes or lemons, but I think the rest of what you’re saying is just more if the propaganda.

bitwize 1y ago

The first 2006 Intel MacBook Pros had a bad batch somewhere. I knew a bunch of guys who bought one as soon as they came out, and within a week every single one of those MBPs was in the shop. I bought a $900 Compaq Athlon64 laptop. It still works today and never needed repairs.

rusk 1y ago
These are all examples of lemon devices. Not of a lemon market.
- righthand 1y ago
  Differentiating a lemon from a lemon-market is moving the goal posts.

rusk 1y ago

> Brand capture is powerful but maybe only if you’re willing to eat the propaganda. Correct. The brand stays solid. The keyboard, the ribbon, there were a few citrus aspects to that generation but they rolled it back in the next generation. Crucially, it only affected a small (but vocal!) niche market so the brand remained solid. To be clear. I’m not making the case that Apple haven’t made mistakes or lemons, but that they have not entered the “lemon market” and continue to demand, and receive a premium for their goods.

righthand 1y ago
I think you’re conflating lemons with “mid-range product”. Apple controls a lot of hardware, leaving competitors with a huge disadvantage. So the mid-range market aren’t ALL lemons as you’re implying. > To be clear. I’m not making the case that Apple haven’t made mistakes or lemons, but I think the rest of what you’re saying is just more if the propaganda.