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Tracking and restricting the freedom of criminals is critical to a healthy society.

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TehCorwiz 1y ago
Criminals makes the smaller percentage of people on the internet. And in the real world it's usually the case that a warrant or other order backed by investigation and evidence to justify the information collection.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  In fairness, even offline they don’t have warrants. They just say, “reasonable suspicion”. I don’t know what the solution is, but trying to hide behind legal niceties is not going to get us very far. At least it hasn’t gotten US citizens very far in the past. That said, if it makes you feel better, Palantir already likely has, or can infer/calculate, your geolocation in any case. So this isn’t necessarily giving anything new away. All it does is highlight the creeping trampling of our privacy rights.
  - TehCorwiz 1y ago
    Only in limited circumstances. The strongest legal defense is to attack the procedures and legal bullet points in the process. Didn't get that form proving chain of custody between these two parts? Oh, too bad, out the window that evidence goes. It might be possible to harass someone without warrants and paperwork, but securing a conviction at least for the moment still requires evidence gathered according to the law, or parallel construction to obscure the origin of the evidence.
CamperBob2 1y ago
Not allowing criminals to dictate how everything works for the rest of us is also critical to a healthy society.
- pphysch 1y ago
  Well, I have bad news about the people ruling Western society.
ACCount37 1y ago
And how could you be doing any of that with a tool as unreliable and coarse-grained as GeoIP?
drnick1 1y ago
Oh I see, anything is justified, as long as it's "for the children" or to "catch terrorists."
x-complexity 1y ago
> Tracking and restricting the freedom of criminals is critical to a healthy society. Under such an excuse, any type of extreme measure is similarly allowed. In fact, why not go full Suicide Squad and strap bomb/shock collars to every person on Earth?

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Criminals makes the smaller percentage of people on the internet. And in the real world it's usually the case that a warrant or other order backed by investigation and evidence to justify the information collection.

bilbo0s 1y ago
In fairness, even offline they don’t have warrants. They just say, “reasonable suspicion”. I don’t know what the solution is, but trying to hide behind legal niceties is not going to get us very far. At least it hasn’t gotten US citizens very far in the past. That said, if it makes you feel better, Palantir already likely has, or can infer/calculate, your geolocation in any case. So this isn’t necessarily giving anything new away. All it does is highlight the creeping trampling of our privacy rights.
- TehCorwiz 1y ago
  Only in limited circumstances. The strongest legal defense is to attack the procedures and legal bullet points in the process. Didn't get that form proving chain of custody between these two parts? Oh, too bad, out the window that evidence goes. It might be possible to harass someone without warrants and paperwork, but securing a conviction at least for the moment still requires evidence gathered according to the law, or parallel construction to obscure the origin of the evidence.

CamperBob2 1y ago

Not allowing criminals to dictate how everything works for the rest of us is also critical to a healthy society.

pphysch 1y ago
Well, I have bad news about the people ruling Western society.

ACCount37 1y ago

And how could you be doing any of that with a tool as unreliable and coarse-grained as GeoIP?

drnick1 1y ago

Oh I see, anything is justified, as long as it's "for the children" or to "catch terrorists."

x-complexity 1y ago

> Tracking and restricting the freedom of criminals is critical to a healthy society. Under such an excuse, any type of extreme measure is similarly allowed. In fact, why not go full Suicide Squad and strap bomb/shock collars to every person on Earth?