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What's the nature of these videos? I don't really see anything AI at all on my feed. That said, most of the videos I watch are of people talking long form who I

by jjice 1y ago

What's the nature of these videos? I don't really see anything AI at all on my feed. That said, most of the videos I watch are of people talking long form who I've been following since before the AI craze.

lysace 1y ago
One example: supposed factual documentary videos of historic events. But really, I’ve see this across so many genres lately. I don’t know if Alphabet wants to solve this, though.
- ddddang 1y ago
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mpicker0 1y ago
Travel videos, for one. I've had to wade through a bunch of "Top 10 must-see places in $CITY" that are obviously thrown together listicles, narrated by an AI voice, with no value whatsoever. Makes me wish they'd start showing thumbs-down counts on videos again, maybe that would have some impact on the problem.
- bcrl 1y ago
  This is the world that software developers are building. At what point do they become accountable for the resulting mess?
  - ronsor 1y ago
    I don't think people should be held liable for the misuse of tools they create, unless the tools were created for that purpose.
    - bcrl 1y ago
      That's not something I can agree with. Take image generation trained on a bunch of copyrighted photographs and artwork. What is the intent behind creating such a tool? Yes, there is a stage where the software developer is building the software to do this purely operating on a "this is a cool hack" kind of mentality, but the point at which you make it available to other people, especially for payment, is when the liability becomes real. Having worked on open source software for most of my life, I have always had to be aware of the issues surrounding copyright. That other software developers will write software and use copyright to proect it while ignoring the copyrights of others is deeply concerning. Copyright of software is no more or less important than copyrights applied to images and artwork. Engineers are liable for their mistakes. At some point the same mechanisms may well need to be applied to software.
  - Mountain_Skies 1y ago
    Software developers rarely have the power to say no to the people who sign their paychecks. If you do, you're speaking from a position of privilege that most don't share. Count yourself lucky rather than spewing hate on those whose lives are not as privileged as yours. Not everyone can go long periods of time without income, especially in the current labor market and doubly so if it is known that they're willing to say no to their employer.
    - rhetocj23 1y ago
      Yeah I get that. But you gotta feel filthy. But I guess overtime those people become so desensitised to it they just dont feel it.
    - bcrl 1y ago
      You have made a huge assumption that I have a steady income. I do not. I am currently in the middle of a fight with pole owners trying to get my company to survive having been denied timely access to poles for fully engineered permits. Loss over the last 7 years from delayed and denied access is in the millions. I could have settled things for hundreds of thousands, but there's no way to do that. I had to stop paying myself a paltry $25/hour to live off of last year when a creditor started squeezing as hard as possible. Building FTTP networks is not expensive. It's the bullshit surrounding obtaining permission to install the fibre that is expensive. That said, all software developers have a choice as to what they work on by the employer and teams that they sign up with. Just because you're employed to do something does not mean that you're obligated to go ahead with breaking the law. Real engineers are required to take ethics courses in university, and they cannot willfully ignore actions that are unethical without risking the loss of their license. I think that software developers need ethical training more than ever given the direction of the industry.
- xhkkffbf 1y ago
  No value whatsoever? I find the travel ones to be slightly/ useful as a basic neutral introduction. I will often choose an obvious AI version over some opinionated person who is trying to build a brand. (Sorry humans.) That being said, some of the random still frames that make up these videos are pretty stupid and valueless.
stronglikedan 1y ago
A lot of these are just a voice over some random graphics that may or may no relate to the content being discussed. Most of the content is pilfered from real creators.
JdeBP 1y ago
In addition to the video types that mpicker0 and lysace mentioned, here's yet another: Fake, and dishonest, Christian Country Music. I learned of this through Fil Henley, who just pointed out Ella Scott (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wtyIljNns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wtyIljNns) which is an AI account with AI-generated songs and thumbnails being produced at an unfeasibly high rate for an actual human. There are astroturfing channels under other names that purport, with more AI fakery, to show themselves alongside Ella Scott. There's an Ella Scott psychology channel tapping into the self-help market. There's an Ella Scott Soulnotes channel. There are not-declared-AI linked accounts on other platforms. Until this all got high exposure, there was an active PayPal donation setup for a non-existent Ella Scott charity. This isn't even the first firehose account of AI-generated CCM that M. Henley has covered. There has been the improbably double-barrelled James Hilton-Cowboy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HORuCSsDLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HORuCSsDLI) for example. And there is an audience of Christians being taken in by these thinking that they are real performers.
- mock-possum 1y ago
  The irony of believers in the supernatural being too easily fooled by ai is entertaining and unsurprising - part of being Christian is being open to ‘fake and dishonest’ And besides, if they like the music, what’s the harm?
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  - JdeBP 1y ago
    It's all too easy to be unsympathetic. But the unsympathetic should remember the soliciting of donations to the non-existent charity for supposedly aiding children; and then bear in mind that there are going to be AI-wielding con-artists in other fields, closer to home, with other hooks for grabbing the marks, too. Ironically, the religious have rules about doing unto others: be sympathetic to the people conned into giving their money away, in the hopes that they'll be sympathetic to you when you're conned in your turn.
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showmexyz 1y ago
Not op but, whenever I search for some term that maybe have more watchtime,you will see AI generated content. For example try searching for "li ion battery".
busymom0 1y ago
My feed is filled with AI slop videos. They are usually AI generated thumbnails, AI generated voice-overs over either AI generated images animating or random clips of videos stolen from actual creators. Last month, I was getting 5-6 videos every refresh containing some fake futuristic AI-generated cars. Nowadays, I am getting the same with AI-generated tech products. Typically, all these videos have under 1000 views. I am at a point where I might even write a user script to hide every video under 1000 views.
- JdeBP 1y ago
  If you want to banjanx the algorithm, instead, watch a few Kyoto Tachibana Senior High School Band videos (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIouDxRfTb8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIouDxRfTb8) or Shimane Prefectural Izumo Commercial High School Band videos (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPLzr3cuFtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPLzr3cuFtk). There appears to be an enormous algorithmic weight to those. Just a few such videos completely swamped my recommendations with Japanese marching bands a couple of years ago. Simply finding those two to copy their URLs into this post has immediately put two further band videos into my recommendations.
general1465 1y ago
AI narrated space opera - HFY. There are like 10 original stories, and everything else is some regurgitated version of those.

by jjice 1y ago

lysace 1y ago

One example: supposed factual documentary videos of historic events. But really, I’ve see this across so many genres lately. I don’t know if Alphabet wants to solve this, though.

ddddang 1y ago
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mpicker0 1y ago

Travel videos, for one. I've had to wade through a bunch of "Top 10 must-see places in $CITY" that are obviously thrown together listicles, narrated by an AI voice, with no value whatsoever. Makes me wish they'd start showing thumbs-down counts on videos again, maybe that would have some impact on the problem.

bcrl 1y ago
This is the world that software developers are building. At what point do they become accountable for the resulting mess?
- ronsor 1y ago
  I don't think people should be held liable for the misuse of tools they create, unless the tools were created for that purpose.
  - bcrl 1y ago
    That's not something I can agree with. Take image generation trained on a bunch of copyrighted photographs and artwork. What is the intent behind creating such a tool? Yes, there is a stage where the software developer is building the software to do this purely operating on a "this is a cool hack" kind of mentality, but the point at which you make it available to other people, especially for payment, is when the liability becomes real. Having worked on open source software for most of my life, I have always had to be aware of the issues surrounding copyright. That other software developers will write software and use copyright to proect it while ignoring the copyrights of others is deeply concerning. Copyright of software is no more or less important than copyrights applied to images and artwork. Engineers are liable for their mistakes. At some point the same mechanisms may well need to be applied to software.
- Mountain_Skies 1y ago
  Software developers rarely have the power to say no to the people who sign their paychecks. If you do, you're speaking from a position of privilege that most don't share. Count yourself lucky rather than spewing hate on those whose lives are not as privileged as yours. Not everyone can go long periods of time without income, especially in the current labor market and doubly so if it is known that they're willing to say no to their employer.
  - rhetocj23 1y ago
    Yeah I get that. But you gotta feel filthy. But I guess overtime those people become so desensitised to it they just dont feel it.
  - bcrl 1y ago
    You have made a huge assumption that I have a steady income. I do not. I am currently in the middle of a fight with pole owners trying to get my company to survive having been denied timely access to poles for fully engineered permits. Loss over the last 7 years from delayed and denied access is in the millions. I could have settled things for hundreds of thousands, but there's no way to do that. I had to stop paying myself a paltry $25/hour to live off of last year when a creditor started squeezing as hard as possible. Building FTTP networks is not expensive. It's the bullshit surrounding obtaining permission to install the fibre that is expensive. That said, all software developers have a choice as to what they work on by the employer and teams that they sign up with. Just because you're employed to do something does not mean that you're obligated to go ahead with breaking the law. Real engineers are required to take ethics courses in university, and they cannot willfully ignore actions that are unethical without risking the loss of their license. I think that software developers need ethical training more than ever given the direction of the industry.
xhkkffbf 1y ago
No value whatsoever? I find the travel ones to be slightly/ useful as a basic neutral introduction. I will often choose an obvious AI version over some opinionated person who is trying to build a brand. (Sorry humans.) That being said, some of the random still frames that make up these videos are pretty stupid and valueless.

stronglikedan 1y ago

A lot of these are just a voice over some random graphics that may or may no relate to the content being discussed. Most of the content is pilfered from real creators.

JdeBP 1y ago

In addition to the video types that mpicker0 and lysace mentioned, here's yet another: Fake, and dishonest, Christian Country Music. I learned of this through Fil Henley, who just pointed out Ella Scott (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wtyIljNns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wtyIljNns) which is an AI account with AI-generated songs and thumbnails being produced at an unfeasibly high rate for an actual human. There are astroturfing channels under other names that purport, with more AI fakery, to show themselves alongside Ella Scott. There's an Ella Scott psychology channel tapping into the self-help market. There's an Ella Scott Soulnotes channel. There are not-declared-AI linked accounts on other platforms. Until this all got high exposure, there was an active PayPal donation setup for a non-existent Ella Scott charity. This isn't even the first firehose account of AI-generated CCM that M. Henley has covered. There has been the improbably double-barrelled James Hilton-Cowboy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HORuCSsDLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HORuCSsDLI) for example. And there is an audience of Christians being taken in by these thinking that they are real performers.

mock-possum 1y ago
The irony of believers in the supernatural being too easily fooled by ai is entertaining and unsurprising - part of being Christian is being open to ‘fake and dishonest’ And besides, if they like the music, what’s the harm?
- deleted 1y ago
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- JdeBP 1y ago
  It's all too easy to be unsympathetic. But the unsympathetic should remember the soliciting of donations to the non-existent charity for supposedly aiding children; and then bear in mind that there are going to be AI-wielding con-artists in other fields, closer to home, with other hooks for grabbing the marks, too. Ironically, the religious have rules about doing unto others: be sympathetic to the people conned into giving their money away, in the hopes that they'll be sympathetic to you when you're conned in your turn.
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showmexyz 1y ago

Not op but, whenever I search for some term that maybe have more watchtime,you will see AI generated content. For example try searching for "li ion battery".

busymom0 1y ago

My feed is filled with AI slop videos. They are usually AI generated thumbnails, AI generated voice-overs over either AI generated images animating or random clips of videos stolen from actual creators. Last month, I was getting 5-6 videos every refresh containing some fake futuristic AI-generated cars. Nowadays, I am getting the same with AI-generated tech products. Typically, all these videos have under 1000 views. I am at a point where I might even write a user script to hide every video under 1000 views.

JdeBP 1y ago
If you want to banjanx the algorithm, instead, watch a few Kyoto Tachibana Senior High School Band videos (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIouDxRfTb8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIouDxRfTb8) or Shimane Prefectural Izumo Commercial High School Band videos (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPLzr3cuFtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPLzr3cuFtk). There appears to be an enormous algorithmic weight to those. Just a few such videos completely swamped my recommendations with Japanese marching bands a couple of years ago. Simply finding those two to copy their URLs into this post has immediately put two further band videos into my recommendations.

general1465 1y ago

AI narrated space opera - HFY. There are like 10 original stories, and everything else is some regurgitated version of those.