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ICE doesn’t do law enforcement against citizens. It does affect citizens tangentially but not directly. ICE will not come after citizens for crimes. That woul

by mc32 1y ago

ICE doesn’t do law enforcement against citizens. It does affect citizens tangentially but not directly. ICE will not come after citizens for crimes. That would be regular local police, state police or FBI/ATF, etc. ICE is immigration enforcement. Some people may not like that especially illegal residents but it would be a poor way to affect citizens like fascists or communists did.

thunderfork 1y ago
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blurbleblurble 1y ago
You haven't been paying attention.
- mc32 1y ago
  What do you mean? If you mean interfering with officers carrying out their duties, then yes, people do get arrested for that. But you would get arrested for interfering with any law enforcement. People do get to protest but they do not get the right to protest violently nor do they get a right to interfere with law enforcement just because they disagree with the law. Just like if you want to protest eminent domain but officers come in to move out protesters getting in the way of construction. People will get arrested. You can protest peacefully. You cannot interfere with official acts or be violent.
  - blurbleblurble 1y ago
    Let me be clear that ICE = DHS in my mind. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5445398/denaturalization-trump-immigration-enforcement https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5445398/denaturalizatio... https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-common-beliefs https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-commo... This hasn't gone through but it's abundantly clear what the goals are: https://www.nationofchange.org/2025/09/15/house-bill-would-let-marco-rubio-strip-passports-over-political-speech/ https://www.nationofchange.org/2025/09/15/house-bill-would-l...
sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/30/citizens-seek-damages-after-violent-ice-arrests/86419733007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/30/citize... https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/28/ice-made-unlawful-arrests-during-operation-midway-blitz-new-court-filing-says https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/28/ice-made-unlawfu... https://goldman.house.gov/media/press-releases/goldman-warren-padilla-kelly-and-correa-demand-investigations-ices-detention https://goldman.house.gov/media/press-releases/goldman-warre... Just a few of the hits for "us citizen ice arrest"
staplers 1y ago
What does the national guard do against citizens?
- mc32 1y ago
  Kind of the same role they played during the civil rights struggle. They are there to bolster law enforcement when local law enforcement may be overwhelmed enforcing federal law.
actionfromafar 1y ago
ICE will (and already are to an extent) come after anyone who looks like trouble. If they want to superficially follow the law, they beat people up and release them after 23 hours after "discovering" the person is a citizen. Then, repeat as many times as necessary. Since nobody actually knows who ICE is, it can devolve pretty easily from there. The most pedestrian would be protection money to avoid detention, from citizens and non-citizens, it doesn't matter.
flohofwoe 1y ago
The Nazis and Communists also didn't come after 'citizens' at first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
cogman10 1y ago
Trump has actively talked about denaturalizing his enemies [1]. You would be technically correct that he's not going after citizens, but that's only because he'll declare everyone he doesn't like antifa and thus not worthy of citizenship. A move, I should point out, that the Nazis did to the Jews and Communists. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/27/trump-resumes-threat-to-denaturalize-citizens/77905612007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/27/trum...

by mc32 1y ago

thunderfork 1y ago

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blurbleblurble 1y ago

You haven't been paying attention.

mc32 1y ago
What do you mean? If you mean interfering with officers carrying out their duties, then yes, people do get arrested for that. But you would get arrested for interfering with any law enforcement. People do get to protest but they do not get the right to protest violently nor do they get a right to interfere with law enforcement just because they disagree with the law. Just like if you want to protest eminent domain but officers come in to move out protesters getting in the way of construction. People will get arrested. You can protest peacefully. You cannot interfere with official acts or be violent.
- blurbleblurble 1y ago
  Let me be clear that ICE = DHS in my mind. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5445398/denaturalization-trump-immigration-enforcement https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5445398/denaturalizatio... https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-common-beliefs https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-commo... This hasn't gone through but it's abundantly clear what the goals are: https://www.nationofchange.org/2025/09/15/house-bill-would-let-marco-rubio-strip-passports-over-political-speech/ https://www.nationofchange.org/2025/09/15/house-bill-would-l...

sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/30/citizens-seek-damages-after-violent-ice-arrests/86419733007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/30/citize... https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/28/ice-made-unlawful-arrests-during-operation-midway-blitz-new-court-filing-says https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/28/ice-made-unlawfu... https://goldman.house.gov/media/press-releases/goldman-warren-padilla-kelly-and-correa-demand-investigations-ices-detention https://goldman.house.gov/media/press-releases/goldman-warre... Just a few of the hits for "us citizen ice arrest"

staplers 1y ago

What does the national guard do against citizens?

mc32 1y ago
Kind of the same role they played during the civil rights struggle. They are there to bolster law enforcement when local law enforcement may be overwhelmed enforcing federal law.

actionfromafar 1y ago

ICE will (and already are to an extent) come after anyone who looks like trouble. If they want to superficially follow the law, they beat people up and release them after 23 hours after "discovering" the person is a citizen. Then, repeat as many times as necessary. Since nobody actually knows who ICE is, it can devolve pretty easily from there. The most pedestrian would be protection money to avoid detention, from citizens and non-citizens, it doesn't matter.

flohofwoe 1y ago

The Nazis and Communists also didn't come after 'citizens' at first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

cogman10 1y ago

Trump has actively talked about denaturalizing his enemies [1]. You would be technically correct that he's not going after citizens, but that's only because he'll declare everyone he doesn't like antifa and thus not worthy of citizenship. A move, I should point out, that the Nazis did to the Jews and Communists. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/27/trump-resumes-threat-to-denaturalize-citizens/77905612007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/27/trum...