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Personal nitpick, but whenever I see a project trying to promote itself by actively bashing (no pun intended) the current solution in its tagline, no-matter how

Personal nitpick, but whenever I see a project trying to promote itself by actively bashing (no pun intended) the current solution in its tagline, no-matter how catchy the tagline, my gut feeling is to avoid it without spending much time to evaluate the offering. I'm much more receptive to projects telling me how they're good, rather than how the competitor is bad.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
I can understand that but these are open source projects and the author might have valid feelings if he wants to bring back the joy of shell scripting because maybe that's why he created yet another shell scripting language... I can definitely understand both points of view but my pov is that we shouldn't avoid projects solely because of these and that there are greater merits to choose from. We are more similar than different :) in foss community I suppose Another thing is that sometimes, people don't like taglines telling how good the project is, like I searched fish and I love fish but fish is a smart and user-friendly command line shell for Linux, macOS, and the rest of the family. Maybe its me as I could only vouch for the user friendly part of fish from my small time using it (and the time I mimicked every aspect of fish for my zsh config file). I truly loved fish but I might not be sure about its smartness and what it means by that and that might be a nitpick but I still love fish and would recommend it to some people Maybe I can be wrong, I usually am and someone please feel free to correct me to make me understand what they mean by smart, I know that somethings scripting in fish can be more pleasant than bash and it has some nice features but just smart is really vague, I hope everybody gets it :)
- tpoacher 1y ago
  Yes, obviously I'm making a bit of a strong point here, undiluted by necessary nuance. I don't shun otherwise good projects with a good reputation entirely from a mere sentence if I can avoid it. But the point is, I actually enjoy scripting in bash. Half the time people rant about it, there's something wrong in the argument. Not always of course, different tools for different people and all that. But having someone's primary marketing argument be a strong implication that "finally you can get rid of shitty bash and bring the joy back" rubs me the wrong way because for me it's not shitty and I'm already experiencing joy. So what I'm getting from the tagline is that it's condescending, uninformative, and the vibe I'm getting is that it's going to mess with what already works by suggesting oversimplified workarounds, which fail when you actually need that desired complexity. So this is already negatively predisposing me when it could have been avoided. Fish is similar, if you go to the webpage (https://fishshell.com/ https://fishshell.com/), the primary tagline isn't the one you mentioned (which I would have been very happy with), it's "Finally, a command line shell for the 90s". To me that's just petty, and this is despite the fact that I have tried fish before and liked it. Ironically, I then moved back to bash because in the end I decided it was still better. This isn't Coke vs Pepsi ads. I'm sure a project serving as an alternative for another popular project can promote itself without such pettiness right as the first sentence in the website. "Discover the joy of shell scripting" would have been great; but "Bring back" is petty.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago

I can understand that but these are open source projects and the author might have valid feelings if he wants to bring back the joy of shell scripting because maybe that's why he created yet another shell scripting language... I can definitely understand both points of view but my pov is that we shouldn't avoid projects solely because of these and that there are greater merits to choose from. We are more similar than different :) in foss community I suppose Another thing is that sometimes, people don't like taglines telling how good the project is, like I searched fish and I love fish but fish is a smart and user-friendly command line shell for Linux, macOS, and the rest of the family. Maybe its me as I could only vouch for the user friendly part of fish from my small time using it (and the time I mimicked every aspect of fish for my zsh config file). I truly loved fish but I might not be sure about its smartness and what it means by that and that might be a nitpick but I still love fish and would recommend it to some people Maybe I can be wrong, I usually am and someone please feel free to correct me to make me understand what they mean by smart, I know that somethings scripting in fish can be more pleasant than bash and it has some nice features but just smart is really vague, I hope everybody gets it :)

tpoacher 1y ago
Yes, obviously I'm making a bit of a strong point here, undiluted by necessary nuance. I don't shun otherwise good projects with a good reputation entirely from a mere sentence if I can avoid it. But the point is, I actually enjoy scripting in bash. Half the time people rant about it, there's something wrong in the argument. Not always of course, different tools for different people and all that. But having someone's primary marketing argument be a strong implication that "finally you can get rid of shitty bash and bring the joy back" rubs me the wrong way because for me it's not shitty and I'm already experiencing joy. So what I'm getting from the tagline is that it's condescending, uninformative, and the vibe I'm getting is that it's going to mess with what already works by suggesting oversimplified workarounds, which fail when you actually need that desired complexity. So this is already negatively predisposing me when it could have been avoided. Fish is similar, if you go to the webpage (https://fishshell.com/ https://fishshell.com/), the primary tagline isn't the one you mentioned (which I would have been very happy with), it's "Finally, a command line shell for the 90s". To me that's just petty, and this is despite the fact that I have tried fish before and liked it. Ironically, I then moved back to bash because in the end I decided it was still better. This isn't Coke vs Pepsi ads. I'm sure a project serving as an alternative for another popular project can promote itself without such pettiness right as the first sentence in the website. "Discover the joy of shell scripting" would have been great; but "Bring back" is petty.