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>>People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected Or, perhaps, the executives and shareholders who have been primarily engineering how to take

by toss1 1y ago

>>People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected Or, perhaps, the executives and shareholders who have been primarily engineering how to take an ever-growing share of the pie to the degree they can accept to earn much less than expected With CEO pay ratios growing from 25:1 to 400:1 in the past 60 years [0], that level of extraction is not producing any useful increase in output or value; it is simply one group skimming off the others. [0] https://ceoworld.biz/2025/09/28/the-evolution-of-ceo-pay-data-history-and-investor-implications/ https://ceoworld.biz/2025/09/28/the-evolution-of-ceo-pay-dat...

motbus3 1y ago
There is zero chance of this happening. All the big billionaires and trillionaries CEOs were sitting with the president in his first day. There is zero chance they will have their slice of their pie smaller. In the history of the world, there wasn't a single powerful person who accepted to share with commoners. There is not a single reason to believe it will change now. In fact, of you read the so called big bogus bill with criticism you will see that the only group of people that are unaffected by it are they.
- toss1 1y ago
  Of course they won't accept it spontaneously. The issue would need to be forced, just as with any time common people force a regime to relinquish power.
  - motbus3 1y ago
    Masses are weak and dumb. It is the law of averages. If split apart because of minor factors such as a race, genre and etc, the forces cancels out and no one works together. Can you think in a modern type of media that exactly does that? It takes to much effort to get people out of inertia. Powerful people, au contrarie, work together. They same places, same parties, have same connections, their kids go to the same schools. They might compete, but they defend the same gray areas in politics, law and etc. Gray areas are there because that's what put apart rich people from poor people. "How expensive is your lawyer" defines how much you can abuse the system.
    - toss1 1y ago
      Exactly right on every point. And they won't willingly change. And absolutely, the metaphor is absolutely right where the table is set with one brown person with one cookie, a white person with two cookies, and the oligarch with a pile of hundreds of cookies, and the oligarch is telling the white guy to watch out because the brown guy will steal his cookies. And the stupid white guy believes it. That said, when even a small portion of the people actually unite and demand change, things change. We have the USA itself (as opposed to British colonies), India, Pakistan, No French kings, etc., no slavery, women's voting, 40-hour work week, minimum wage, social security, lunch breaks, and more all because people united sufficiently to force change. There is the 3.5% rule [0], validated scientifically [1], showing it takes only 3.5% of a population to force serious change in a society. There are also situations where a rich person with power wakes up and does good things. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was one such person, tagged "a traitor to his class", but he implemented huge changes in favor of ordinary people. If you are pointing out the obstacles, we agree. If you are saying it is impossible because the rich tend to stick together, that is counter to history, and if the US people fail to respond to the latest assault from the oligarchs, they'll go down in history as the greatest losers ever. [0] https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35... [1] https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/success-nonviolent-civil-resistance/ https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/success-nonviol...
      - motbus3 1y ago
        On top of all that, it is seems so easy to avoid taxation by having off-shores and buying assets and stocks and whatever to just make the money "disappear". Top richest guys in the world are basically not paying taxes at all.

by toss1 1y ago

motbus3 1y ago

There is zero chance of this happening. All the big billionaires and trillionaries CEOs were sitting with the president in his first day. There is zero chance they will have their slice of their pie smaller. In the history of the world, there wasn't a single powerful person who accepted to share with commoners. There is not a single reason to believe it will change now. In fact, of you read the so called big bogus bill with criticism you will see that the only group of people that are unaffected by it are they.

toss1 1y ago
Of course they won't accept it spontaneously. The issue would need to be forced, just as with any time common people force a regime to relinquish power.
- motbus3 1y ago
  Masses are weak and dumb. It is the law of averages. If split apart because of minor factors such as a race, genre and etc, the forces cancels out and no one works together. Can you think in a modern type of media that exactly does that? It takes to much effort to get people out of inertia. Powerful people, au contrarie, work together. They same places, same parties, have same connections, their kids go to the same schools. They might compete, but they defend the same gray areas in politics, law and etc. Gray areas are there because that's what put apart rich people from poor people. "How expensive is your lawyer" defines how much you can abuse the system.
  - toss1 1y ago
    Exactly right on every point. And they won't willingly change. And absolutely, the metaphor is absolutely right where the table is set with one brown person with one cookie, a white person with two cookies, and the oligarch with a pile of hundreds of cookies, and the oligarch is telling the white guy to watch out because the brown guy will steal his cookies. And the stupid white guy believes it. That said, when even a small portion of the people actually unite and demand change, things change. We have the USA itself (as opposed to British colonies), India, Pakistan, No French kings, etc., no slavery, women's voting, 40-hour work week, minimum wage, social security, lunch breaks, and more all because people united sufficiently to force change. There is the 3.5% rule [0], validated scientifically [1], showing it takes only 3.5% of a population to force serious change in a society. There are also situations where a rich person with power wakes up and does good things. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was one such person, tagged "a traitor to his class", but he implemented huge changes in favor of ordinary people. If you are pointing out the obstacles, we agree. If you are saying it is impossible because the rich tend to stick together, that is counter to history, and if the US people fail to respond to the latest assault from the oligarchs, they'll go down in history as the greatest losers ever. [0] https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35... [1] https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/success-nonviolent-civil-resistance/ https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/success-nonviol...
    - motbus3 1y ago
      On top of all that, it is seems so easy to avoid taxation by having off-shores and buying assets and stocks and whatever to just make the money "disappear". Top richest guys in the world are basically not paying taxes at all.