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> This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narra

> This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point. As I said in another comment, it's a theory that could fit the data but you are encouraged to propose other theories. > This need of creating an enemy and the constant threat to solidify a heavy power that goes beyond any limits is in itself a threat. Even more now that a this power is being shared among those who can keep eyes and ears on you and your ears and eyes out of the real problems. This I can fully agree on; and it is indeed the main threat that faces the West in my view. The other issues are distractions. Same now in the UK where immigration is blamed for problems (which I'm not saying there are no problems), but then the government proposes a digital ID as a solution. An extreme skeptic could at this point even argue that it seems like the problem was created on purpose to then "fix" it by draconian measures. I mean at what point do you move from incompetence to malice?

motbus3 1y ago
I was wondering if my comment seemed like accusing of being of ill intent. I hope not, if it does I'm sorry about that. I just meant the way it is presented it is a long stretch to conclude B from A. I am sure it happened, but I think this generalization sounds bad at a moment where people are being put against people for the sake of the show. I do believe the system might be eventually abused in individual cases but I do not think it is mostly abused. US had taken lots of resource that would be otherwise competition if abroad and also have them generating revenue, taxes and economy flow in their own territory. It is not like US hasn't benefited of them at all. US is not depending on immigrants. They are just convenient. In the UK, the situation is different. The skill is not there, the economy will not support another cost hike. Do not get me wrong, British people are brilliant. But the brilliant ones are already working. The younger generation is sadly unprepared and unsupported. I honestly think that if rules changes and immigrants leave UK in such hasty manner it will be as bad as the BREXIT was but the effects will come much sooner. My company had positions with high grade pay opened in the UK for a year. No single british candidate was close to be approved. The position was closed in the UK and opened on Asia. If this immigration laws changes I am dead right most of the foreigner engineers will leave (as intended). For others it will mean that our office will be closed. There are zero expectations on hiring enough people in the UK on time to replace people. There is zero reasons for contributing to NI, NHS, etc for 10 years with the risks of never being able to be a citizen. I can easily see myself in the same 'boat', pun intended. Renting in UK is absurd. Expensive, no guarantees, abusive landlords everywhere. You cannot invest your money to protect against inflation, you cannot buy a car, you cannot buy a house. You life is stagnant for 10 years with the fear of needing to leave the country in 7 weeks if you loose your job. People do not realise that the government will be forced to cut benefits from people to make them back to work to replace the missing workforce. Even if companies pay more for native workers, things will need to get more expensive. I see that people thinks there are millions of people in the country hence they could claim back millions of jobs by simply kicking out people. But that will not happen. Same thing with the empty promises of the Brexit. Not a single penny was saved for the NHS. If anything, just caused everything else to be more expensive or unaccessible. Which is not a surprise as the both ideas comes from exactly the same couple of guys. I have visited a hospital in the UK recenlyy and I would be scared if suddenly all the base workforce, which are currently immigrants, are gone. People underestimate the importance of base care workers in the maintainability of a hospital. I cannot see Tesco, Asda or anything there paying double for the cashier or the store manager but only them installing cameras everywhere with their automatic checkout tills. I am not sure why people are so easily falling for this fallacy of immigration is the problem when it is actually the incapability of creating jobs and the lack of qualified professionals. Even if it momentaneously fixed the situation, which it will not, it would not solve any of the underlying problems. All that has being done was to go after critics, skip the laws distract people with hate speech to point them to the wrong direction.

motbus3 1y ago

I was wondering if my comment seemed like accusing of being of ill intent. I hope not, if it does I'm sorry about that. I just meant the way it is presented it is a long stretch to conclude B from A. I am sure it happened, but I think this generalization sounds bad at a moment where people are being put against people for the sake of the show. I do believe the system might be eventually abused in individual cases but I do not think it is mostly abused. US had taken lots of resource that would be otherwise competition if abroad and also have them generating revenue, taxes and economy flow in their own territory. It is not like US hasn't benefited of them at all. US is not depending on immigrants. They are just convenient. In the UK, the situation is different. The skill is not there, the economy will not support another cost hike. Do not get me wrong, British people are brilliant. But the brilliant ones are already working. The younger generation is sadly unprepared and unsupported. I honestly think that if rules changes and immigrants leave UK in such hasty manner it will be as bad as the BREXIT was but the effects will come much sooner. My company had positions with high grade pay opened in the UK for a year. No single british candidate was close to be approved. The position was closed in the UK and opened on Asia. If this immigration laws changes I am dead right most of the foreigner engineers will leave (as intended). For others it will mean that our office will be closed. There are zero expectations on hiring enough people in the UK on time to replace people. There is zero reasons for contributing to NI, NHS, etc for 10 years with the risks of never being able to be a citizen. I can easily see myself in the same 'boat', pun intended. Renting in UK is absurd. Expensive, no guarantees, abusive landlords everywhere. You cannot invest your money to protect against inflation, you cannot buy a car, you cannot buy a house. You life is stagnant for 10 years with the fear of needing to leave the country in 7 weeks if you loose your job. People do not realise that the government will be forced to cut benefits from people to make them back to work to replace the missing workforce. Even if companies pay more for native workers, things will need to get more expensive. I see that people thinks there are millions of people in the country hence they could claim back millions of jobs by simply kicking out people. But that will not happen. Same thing with the empty promises of the Brexit. Not a single penny was saved for the NHS. If anything, just caused everything else to be more expensive or unaccessible. Which is not a surprise as the both ideas comes from exactly the same couple of guys. I have visited a hospital in the UK recenlyy and I would be scared if suddenly all the base workforce, which are currently immigrants, are gone. People underestimate the importance of base care workers in the maintainability of a hospital. I cannot see Tesco, Asda or anything there paying double for the cashier or the store manager but only them installing cameras everywhere with their automatic checkout tills. I am not sure why people are so easily falling for this fallacy of immigration is the problem when it is actually the incapability of creating jobs and the lack of qualified professionals. Even if it momentaneously fixed the situation, which it will not, it would not solve any of the underlying problems. All that has being done was to go after critics, skip the laws distract people with hate speech to point them to the wrong direction.