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this is a long-tired sympathy of colonialism. social relations are slow to advance --- and slow further when under occupation, or (e.g.) a genocide. it's not as

this is a long-tired sympathy of colonialism. social relations are slow to advance --- and slow further when under occupation, or (e.g.) a genocide. it's not as if gay marriage is legal in israel.

tguvot 1y ago
gay marriage is legal in israel and both partners get all rights. gender affirming care is part of government provided medical services. gay/trans palestinians running away (honor killing and stuff) can get asylum in Israel .
- nar001 1y ago
  Israel has pretty tight relationship with other western powers, and more specifically the US, and also tries to attract people from said western countries to come to Israel. Whereas the Palestinians are constantly killed and forced to move, and refused a stable home and country. Not sure how you want to create social reforms and progress when you don't even have basic security for living safely. You can only advance social issues if you have the mental bandwidth and means to do so, not by being constantly attacked and bombed for more than 50 years now. I also don't condition not supporting massive amounts of civilian murder with LGBT rights. These can come after. For now the killing has to stop, regardless.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    putting aside multiple "incorrectness" in your statement, 89% of palestinians support sharia as law of the land. removing occupation won't make them into society where lgbt live long and prosper. brief look at neighborhood will be a good example. and just for lols: https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/09/not-all-in-the-same-boat-gaza-flotilla-leadership-turns-on-itself-over-woke-agenda/ https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/09/not-all-in-the-same-boat-g...
    - twixfel 1y ago
      Should our support for Israel killing Palestinians indiscriminately be inversely proportional to gay rights in Palestine? Does that make any sense? Anyway Israel has fascists in power. They aren’t the good guys any more, if they ever were.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        i think you commented on wrong post, because this is not what discussed in this thread.
        twixfel 1y ago
        No, definitely the correct post. Israelis and Israel defenders like to try to whitewash Israeli war crimes by talking about gay rights. It is irrelevant. Palestine could (and maybe is) be the most homophobic place on the planet—it is irrelevant, they still don't deserve to be killed.
        tguvot 1y ago
        poster said that gay marriage in israel is illegal. i said that its legal. because it is. this was the essence of the conversation. not sure where whitewashing is.

this is a long-tired sympathy of colonialism. social relations are slow to advance --- and slow further when under occupation, or (e.g.) a genocide. it's not as if gay marriage is legal in israel.

tguvot 1y ago

gay marriage is legal in israel and both partners get all rights. gender affirming care is part of government provided medical services. gay/trans palestinians running away (honor killing and stuff) can get asylum in Israel .

nar001 1y ago
Israel has pretty tight relationship with other western powers, and more specifically the US, and also tries to attract people from said western countries to come to Israel. Whereas the Palestinians are constantly killed and forced to move, and refused a stable home and country. Not sure how you want to create social reforms and progress when you don't even have basic security for living safely. You can only advance social issues if you have the mental bandwidth and means to do so, not by being constantly attacked and bombed for more than 50 years now. I also don't condition not supporting massive amounts of civilian murder with LGBT rights. These can come after. For now the killing has to stop, regardless.
- tguvot 1y ago
  putting aside multiple "incorrectness" in your statement, 89% of palestinians support sharia as law of the land. removing occupation won't make them into society where lgbt live long and prosper. brief look at neighborhood will be a good example. and just for lols: https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/09/not-all-in-the-same-boat-gaza-flotilla-leadership-turns-on-itself-over-woke-agenda/ https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/09/not-all-in-the-same-boat-g...
  - twixfel 1y ago
    Should our support for Israel killing Palestinians indiscriminately be inversely proportional to gay rights in Palestine? Does that make any sense? Anyway Israel has fascists in power. They aren’t the good guys any more, if they ever were.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      i think you commented on wrong post, because this is not what discussed in this thread.
      - twixfel 1y ago
        No, definitely the correct post. Israelis and Israel defenders like to try to whitewash Israeli war crimes by talking about gay rights. It is irrelevant. Palestine could (and maybe is) be the most homophobic place on the planet—it is irrelevant, they still don't deserve to be killed.
        tguvot 1y ago
        poster said that gay marriage in israel is illegal. i said that its legal. because it is. this was the essence of the conversation. not sure where whitewashing is.