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The latter would be off-topic for a programming language discussion forum, certainly. But working with others that happen to hold differing views on that topic?
by astanm 1y ago
The latter would be off-topic for a programming language discussion forum, certainly. But working with others that happen to hold differing views on that topic? Not a problem.
It would be unreasonable to expect everyone to have the same perspective on political issues.
- swiftcoder 1y agoI think we are likely to disagree on whether "group X is not entitled to human rights" is a legitimate political view
- astanm 1y agoAs long as these views aren't thrashed out in the collaborative spaces to which the CoC applies, it doesn't really matter. (As a personal preference, I'd rather not know the political views, legitimate or otherwise, of people I work with. It's not relevant.)
- swiftcoder 1y agoIf said people kept their opinions to themselves, the issue would never arise in the first place. Pretty much the whole problem in semi-public spaces like this is that folks with strong reactionary beliefs don’t tend to leave them at the door
- svieira 1y ago`s/reactionary//` and you'd be right in your second sentence. It doesn't matter if it's action or reaction, people with strong beliefs, strongly held tend to be holding them because of some core set of ethical or moral principles and those things eventually are revealed in the day-to-day work. As to your first - if people with a strong set of ethical and moral principles "just shut up" about what they considered ethical and moral essentials ... then they wouldn't be who they are. The only people who don't show what they hold good are people who don't hold as good much of anything. Now if we're just talking "opinions" here (about things that are not ethical and moral, merely matters of taste), then yes, a person with "strong beliefs strongly held as a universal principle" is someone who is just an ass. But if I know someone is a raving Detroit Lions fan "on the internet", what kind of a person am I if I can't work with them?
- Khaine 1y agoExcept people have enforced CoC's against people for expressing views on other platforms because those views make other people feel unsafe in those collaborative spaces. I have only ever seen CoC's abused to push out people with anti-social just views.
- notarget137 1y agoIt baffles me how much political every aspect of life has become. We can't just talk about things and hold genuine discussion. It always boils down to "us vs. them" standpoint.
- kelseyfrog 1y agoWhat would genuine discussion look like on the topic of trans people existing? I'm not sure I would know how to identify it even if it existed.
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- kelseyfrog 1y agoSorry it's difficult to tell, but is this part of the genuine discussion?
- EnergyAmy 1y agoYes
- kelseyfrog 1y agoIs genuine discussion typically like this? I'm not really getting a sense of back and forth. It sounds more like wanting to have one side of a conversation without really inviting a response or room for nuance.
- EnergyAmy 1y agoI directly addressed your statement. "Trans people existing" is a vague statement that avoids talking about specifics. Discourse is toxic because of rhetorical tricks like this where you desperately try to avoid actual discussion.