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The FAA has a budget of USD ~23,000m. Surely you can fit in some experts there. EASA fills a similar role on a budget a 100 times smaller (in USD it's ~300m),

The FAA has a budget of USD ~23,000m. Surely you can fit in some experts there. EASA fills a similar role on a budget a 100 times smaller (in USD it's ~300m), paying for ~800 personnel. The main difference is that EASA doesn't handle ATC, but it shows that the aspect of the FTC's duties we are talking about here really can't be that expensive. If you'd 10x the budget of the FAA, it would have the same budget as the entire EU or 4x Airbus/Boeing's revenue. That's ridiculous.

lesuorac 1y ago
> If you'd 10x the budget of the FAA, it would have the same budget as the entire EU or 4x Airbus/Boeing's revenue. That's ridiculous. 10x is a bit ridiculous but I'm not sure it's that ridiculous for the FAA to have more expenditures than Boeing. Sure, FAA (requested) budget is 22 Billion [1] while Boeing's revenue is 66 Billion [2]. However, United Airlines revenue is 57 Billion [3]. The FAA doesn't just manage Boeing so if we start adding up _every_ airline, airport, etc revenue I think that a budget of 66 Billion won't look as silly anymore. I mean they can't properly staff ATC currently so very trivially their current expenditures is too low. [1]: https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/FAA_FY_2026_Budget_Estimates_CJ.pdf https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/F... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines
- chmod775 1y ago
  This thread was not discussing the FAA's ATC duties. I was trying to take the ATC component of the FAA out of the equation and illustrate why that is necessary. We should be looking specifically at the arm that certifies aircraft and try to figure out which order of magnitude we're dealing with. Luckily their European counterpart exists, which does not do ATC and thus allows us to get a better idea. In fact if you look at the FAA's budget request breakdown you can see that the requested budget for their entire AVS services arm is less than 2B[1] (still much more expensive than EASA, but not too terrible). While your comment is interesting, it's only tangential to what is being discussed. [1] https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/FAA_FY_2026_Budget_Estimates_CJ.pdf https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/F...

lesuorac 1y ago

> If you'd 10x the budget of the FAA, it would have the same budget as the entire EU or 4x Airbus/Boeing's revenue. That's ridiculous. 10x is a bit ridiculous but I'm not sure it's that ridiculous for the FAA to have more expenditures than Boeing. Sure, FAA (requested) budget is 22 Billion [1] while Boeing's revenue is 66 Billion [2]. However, United Airlines revenue is 57 Billion [3]. The FAA doesn't just manage Boeing so if we start adding up _every_ airline, airport, etc revenue I think that a budget of 66 Billion won't look as silly anymore. I mean they can't properly staff ATC currently so very trivially their current expenditures is too low. [1]: https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/FAA_FY_2026_Budget_Estimates_CJ.pdf https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/F... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines

chmod775 1y ago
This thread was not discussing the FAA's ATC duties. I was trying to take the ATC component of the FAA out of the equation and illustrate why that is necessary. We should be looking specifically at the arm that certifies aircraft and try to figure out which order of magnitude we're dealing with. Luckily their European counterpart exists, which does not do ATC and thus allows us to get a better idea. In fact if you look at the FAA's budget request breakdown you can see that the requested budget for their entire AVS services arm is less than 2B[1] (still much more expensive than EASA, but not too terrible). While your comment is interesting, it's only tangential to what is being discussed. [1] https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/FAA_FY_2026_Budget_Estimates_CJ.pdf https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-05/F...