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> And we didn’t even talk about how it is being misused. People would point to these documents to silence and shut out people they don’t like and at the same ti

> And we didn’t even talk about how it is being misused. People would point to these documents to silence and shut out people they don’t like and at the same time tolerate poor behavior that are clearly in violation of code of conduct by people they do like or whose politics or opinions they share. Has it occurred to you that's actually exactly why they exist? :)

blueflow 1y ago
I mean. Whenever a code of conduct was installed in a project i was passionate about, i could look up the contributor on twitter/fediverse and see that they are a zealot about their cause. Deflecting and uncompromising, very unagreeable. They would be the last persons to know how to make a community comfy.
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  Not surprised at the downvotes but this also matches my experience exactly. These people (who push for CoCs so heavily) in my experience tend to hypocritically attack and censor opinions they don’t like, while not understanding why people won’t "accept them for who they are". They are desperate to be the center of attention and love to play the victim. It’s like the bullied becomes the bully sort of thing. They spend more time arguing over weaponized CoCs and ideological SJW politics instead of writing code. It doesn’t help that many of them self-admittedly suffer from mental health problems.
- raxxorraxor 1y ago
  It just wasn't a very wholesome crowd. I don't have to like everyone, but I expect everyone to not try to ban people just because they have the unfavorable opinion du jours. Maybe write that in a COC, but it should be a premise to begin with. On a completely unrelated note, you very, very rarely find real fascists in open source software projects. And for even less favorable characters it seemed that it was just powerplay by some actors that wouldn't convince their own mother that they are the most untoxic of them all.
mzhaase 1y ago
I have seen multiple CoC being installed with completely good intentions so no.
- weird-eye-issue 1y ago
  Have you ever heard the saying about good intentions? And just because you perceive something that way doesn't mean that's the reality
nitwit005 1y ago
If someone files a lawsuit, does it implicitly mean it was filed with good intentions? Sadly, no. There are people who will attempt to exploit any system.

blueflow 1y ago

I mean. Whenever a code of conduct was installed in a project i was passionate about, i could look up the contributor on twitter/fediverse and see that they are a zealot about their cause. Deflecting and uncompromising, very unagreeable. They would be the last persons to know how to make a community comfy.

ranger_danger 1y ago
Not surprised at the downvotes but this also matches my experience exactly. These people (who push for CoCs so heavily) in my experience tend to hypocritically attack and censor opinions they don’t like, while not understanding why people won’t "accept them for who they are". They are desperate to be the center of attention and love to play the victim. It’s like the bullied becomes the bully sort of thing. They spend more time arguing over weaponized CoCs and ideological SJW politics instead of writing code. It doesn’t help that many of them self-admittedly suffer from mental health problems.
raxxorraxor 1y ago
It just wasn't a very wholesome crowd. I don't have to like everyone, but I expect everyone to not try to ban people just because they have the unfavorable opinion du jours. Maybe write that in a COC, but it should be a premise to begin with. On a completely unrelated note, you very, very rarely find real fascists in open source software projects. And for even less favorable characters it seemed that it was just powerplay by some actors that wouldn't convince their own mother that they are the most untoxic of them all.

mzhaase 1y ago

I have seen multiple CoC being installed with completely good intentions so no.

weird-eye-issue 1y ago
Have you ever heard the saying about good intentions? And just because you perceive something that way doesn't mean that's the reality

nitwit005 1y ago

If someone files a lawsuit, does it implicitly mean it was filed with good intentions? Sadly, no. There are people who will attempt to exploit any system.