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Is programming lame enough yet that we can get away from everything being done by hr and get back to doing cool things with weird people?

k33n 1y ago
Hopefully! And it takes every kind of weird to make it fun. You don't have to like or hang with everyone in a community. But sometimes the people you don't understand personally wind up being the ones you will respect the most from a skill/talent perspective. A strong foundation of mutual respect built up over time is how you create real tolerance and even change minds.
thrance 1y ago
Define "weird people".
- account42 1y ago
  Nerds.
swiftcoder 1y ago
It really depends whether "weird people" means people with unusual hobbies/sexualities/clothes/hair/etc, or "weird people" means the ones who want to keep all the first category of people out...
- pessimizer 1y ago
  Not for people with boundaries. I've done work I was absolutely delighted with in both process and product with people whose views I detest. If you can't grow up enough to do that, you can't have a civilization. If I have to like you in order for us not to fight, I warn you that we're going to have to fight.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
    What was the most detestable view?
    - fsckboy 1y ago
      to me, the most detestable view is the view that he should go first
    - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
      and by whom?
squigz 1y ago
The irony of deriding CoCs while reminiscing about doing things with "weird people" "Weird people" being discriminated against and harassed is why CoCs exist.
- account42 1y ago
  Quite the opposite, the whole point of CoCs is to get actually weird people (i.e. nerds) out of projects and replace them with cultural conformists that all use the same kinds of symbols and language in their bio to describe just how unique they are.
  - thrance 1y ago
    No, the point is to get the bigots out. I don't know of any CoCs that prohibits "nerds" in an open-source project, don't be daft. Also, not fun how you're implying that being from a marginalized group and being a nerd are mutually exclusive.
fsckboy 1y ago
I like your comment, I think I get the spirit of it, as opposed to the other reponses to it which sound to me like opening negotiations for codes of conduct

k33n 1y ago

Hopefully! And it takes every kind of weird to make it fun. You don't have to like or hang with everyone in a community. But sometimes the people you don't understand personally wind up being the ones you will respect the most from a skill/talent perspective. A strong foundation of mutual respect built up over time is how you create real tolerance and even change minds.

thrance 1y ago

Define "weird people".

account42 1y ago
Nerds.

swiftcoder 1y ago

It really depends whether "weird people" means people with unusual hobbies/sexualities/clothes/hair/etc, or "weird people" means the ones who want to keep all the first category of people out...

pessimizer 1y ago
Not for people with boundaries. I've done work I was absolutely delighted with in both process and product with people whose views I detest. If you can't grow up enough to do that, you can't have a civilization. If I have to like you in order for us not to fight, I warn you that we're going to have to fight.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
  What was the most detestable view?
  - fsckboy 1y ago
    to me, the most detestable view is the view that he should go first
  - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
    and by whom?

squigz 1y ago

The irony of deriding CoCs while reminiscing about doing things with "weird people" "Weird people" being discriminated against and harassed is why CoCs exist.

account42 1y ago
Quite the opposite, the whole point of CoCs is to get actually weird people (i.e. nerds) out of projects and replace them with cultural conformists that all use the same kinds of symbols and language in their bio to describe just how unique they are.
- thrance 1y ago
  No, the point is to get the bigots out. I don't know of any CoCs that prohibits "nerds" in an open-source project, don't be daft. Also, not fun how you're implying that being from a marginalized group and being a nerd are mutually exclusive.

fsckboy 1y ago

I like your comment, I think I get the spirit of it, as opposed to the other reponses to it which sound to me like opening negotiations for codes of conduct