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> The Reddit toxicity seems to taint young people into thinking that their employer is their enemy and that they have to approach the workplace like they're goi

> The Reddit toxicity seems to taint young people into thinking that their employer is their enemy and that they have to approach the workplace like they're going into battle with evil managers What you’re saying is very true unfortunately and is going to be a real problem. It not only affects how you view your employers and companies but also your peers. If you’re exposed to extreme views even before you start your first job, what happens when you eventually start your first job?

LtWorf 1y ago
> If you’re exposed to extreme views even before you start your first job, what happens when you eventually start your first job? You are less likely to be taken advantage of?
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  The more likely outcome is going to be that these people will be left behind. If you came in with extreme views like say for things like DEI, would you be able to work that well with a female manager or a black coworker? If you came in with extreme views about lofty wage expectations or not working extra as a salaried employee, how likely are you to be hired or be put up for promotion? Keep in mind, we are not talking about reasonable takes, we are talking about extreme views that are formed solely through online spaces and not personal experiences.
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    > not working extra as a salaried employee This is not an extreme view :/
    - paulhebert 1y ago
      Agreed. I’m a senior dev. With rare exceptions I work 8:30 to 4:30. My previous job gave us every other Friday off. I get things done, do a good job and get nothing but positive feedback from my bosses.
    - darth_avocado 1y ago
      > Keep in mind, we are not talking about reasonable takes, we are talking about extreme views that are formed solely through online spaces You’re taking it out of context. I’m not talking about a 996 culture or regular overtime, I’m talking about ocasional extra push to make things work. Any full time salaried employee will tell you that it is completely acceptable to work extra here and there, when you are allowed to take it slow at times.
      - LtWorf 1y ago
        No it's not acceptable. At the very least they must let you take that extra time off at a moment of your choosing.
  - LtWorf 1y ago
    > or not working extra as a salaried employee Getting paid to work is a normal expectation…
  - monkeyelite 1y ago
    Framing DEI skepticism as an inability to work with minority or protected groups makes me think you don’t understand the position well.
    - darth_avocado 1y ago
      Framing some of the extreme views of DEI as DEI skepticism makes me think you don’t understand the extent of radicalization that young unemployed people are going through.
      - monkeyelite 1y ago
        I think you may be imagining a disruptive person who can’t work with others, and then associating it with a political position.
- kelnos 1y ago
  Cynicism usually doesn't help you, no matter how trendy it might be to be a cynic. The more likely outcome is that you'll (intentionally or unconsciously) perform poorly, have a bad attitude, and always act like your employer is out to get you. Your managers will notice this and not like working with you. Eventually you'll get managed out or fired, and then your cynical opinion will be reinforced by this experience, even though it was avoidable. I'm not saying you should think your company is your friend or your family (they're not!), and I'm not saying you should work uncompensated overtime, or buy into the whole company "mission" and "values" and stuff. But do go in with a healthy attitude, get your work done to the best of your ability, and act professionally and, sure, be friendly toward your coworkers, and develop relationships with them and your managers (professional ones, not personal ones, if that's not your thing). If your management still treats you poorly, then yes, absolutely, get out of there. But going in with a bad attitude isn't going to set anyone up for success.

LtWorf 1y ago

> If you’re exposed to extreme views even before you start your first job, what happens when you eventually start your first job? You are less likely to be taken advantage of?

darth_avocado 1y ago
The more likely outcome is going to be that these people will be left behind. If you came in with extreme views like say for things like DEI, would you be able to work that well with a female manager or a black coworker? If you came in with extreme views about lofty wage expectations or not working extra as a salaried employee, how likely are you to be hired or be put up for promotion? Keep in mind, we are not talking about reasonable takes, we are talking about extreme views that are formed solely through online spaces and not personal experiences.
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  > not working extra as a salaried employee This is not an extreme view :/
  - paulhebert 1y ago
    Agreed. I’m a senior dev. With rare exceptions I work 8:30 to 4:30. My previous job gave us every other Friday off. I get things done, do a good job and get nothing but positive feedback from my bosses.
  - darth_avocado 1y ago
    > Keep in mind, we are not talking about reasonable takes, we are talking about extreme views that are formed solely through online spaces You’re taking it out of context. I’m not talking about a 996 culture or regular overtime, I’m talking about ocasional extra push to make things work. Any full time salaried employee will tell you that it is completely acceptable to work extra here and there, when you are allowed to take it slow at times.
    - LtWorf 1y ago
      No it's not acceptable. At the very least they must let you take that extra time off at a moment of your choosing.
- LtWorf 1y ago
  > or not working extra as a salaried employee Getting paid to work is a normal expectation…
- monkeyelite 1y ago
  Framing DEI skepticism as an inability to work with minority or protected groups makes me think you don’t understand the position well.
  - darth_avocado 1y ago
    Framing some of the extreme views of DEI as DEI skepticism makes me think you don’t understand the extent of radicalization that young unemployed people are going through.
    - monkeyelite 1y ago
      I think you may be imagining a disruptive person who can’t work with others, and then associating it with a political position.
kelnos 1y ago
Cynicism usually doesn't help you, no matter how trendy it might be to be a cynic. The more likely outcome is that you'll (intentionally or unconsciously) perform poorly, have a bad attitude, and always act like your employer is out to get you. Your managers will notice this and not like working with you. Eventually you'll get managed out or fired, and then your cynical opinion will be reinforced by this experience, even though it was avoidable. I'm not saying you should think your company is your friend or your family (they're not!), and I'm not saying you should work uncompensated overtime, or buy into the whole company "mission" and "values" and stuff. But do go in with a healthy attitude, get your work done to the best of your ability, and act professionally and, sure, be friendly toward your coworkers, and develop relationships with them and your managers (professional ones, not personal ones, if that's not your thing). If your management still treats you poorly, then yes, absolutely, get out of there. But going in with a bad attitude isn't going to set anyone up for success.