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I agree. But it's important to debunk the myth that drinking wine is good for your health. It's fine to drink to have fun or enjoy it, even if unhealthy. It's

I agree. But it's important to debunk the myth that drinking wine is good for your health. It's fine to drink to have fun or enjoy it, even if unhealthy. It's not fine to drink thinking it's good for your health.

NetMageSCW 1y ago
This is about alcohol and dementia, not wine. It is certainly still possible that wine in moderation is good for cardiac health.
- redox99 1y ago
  But wine has alcohol. And even if it actually were good for cardiac health, people should be aware that they are trading cardiac health for dementia risk.
- 000ooo000 1y ago
  >It is certainly still possible that wine in moderation is good for cardiac health. Fairly sure that is mostly debunked, or at least grossly misleading, as the quantity of wine required to see cardiovascular benefit is high enough that any benefit is outweighed by the negative effects of the large quantity of wine required.
cies 1y ago
I think the reason why wine/alcohol was deemed good for health was that the study was on US population who are generally overweight, and thus usually have arterial plaque narrowing their arteries. Alcohol acts as a blood thinner, thus it was healthy for the unhealthy. But it was not, and has never been, healthy for the healthy.
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borroka 1y ago
I don't think that the "I drink wine because it is healthy", is the main driver of people's drinking--not even the fifth. After all, I have yet to see a sober person picking up drinking wine because it is good for their health. Let's have a sober conversation on this: I drink a glass or half a glass of wine most nights because I like it.
- redox99 1y ago
  I think some people who like wine, would drink less often if they considered it bad for you. But since "it's good" you might as well drink every night.
  - borroka 1y ago
    I have never heard of them, those are the mythical beings nobody has ever seen. If it were true, the opposite would be likely true as well (I don't like red wine, but I drink if because it is good for my health). The negative effects one could operate on are putting on weight, not sleeping as well at night, bad breath, sleepiness, but not a fear-mongering article in which it is said that any amount of alcohol increases the risk of dementia. I am talking about a glass of wine; if the current regime is a bottle of wine a day, the whole equation changes.
    - redox99 1y ago
      It's the same as cigarette taxes, abortion laws, and so on. People claim nobody changes their mind because of it, but statistically the impact is significant.
      - borroka 1y ago
        You cannot compare the cigarette tax to a study saying that even minimal alcohol consumption increases the risk of dementia. If you increase the price of wine 5x, I am sure fewer people would drink, but that's a very wild extrapolation, context-wise, of this conversation. The same applies to abortion laws: not even in my wildest dreams would I compare their effects on abortion rates to the effects on behavior that the results of the study discussed in this thread would cause.
mothballed 1y ago
And occasionally having a cigar is associated with ever so slightly lower rates of lung cancer. Being rich enough to buy luxuries is good for your health.
fsckboy 1y ago
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-red-wine-good-actually-for-your-heart-2018021913285 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-red-wine-good-actuall... Moderate drinking — defined as one drink per day for healthy women and two drinks per day for healthy men — is widely considered safe. But to date, the health effects of alcohol have never been tested in a long-term, randomized trial. that sentence was written as skepticism of the health benefits to drinking wine. But if the health effects of alcohol have never been studied long term, I don't see how you can claim health benefits are a myth.

NetMageSCW 1y ago

This is about alcohol and dementia, not wine. It is certainly still possible that wine in moderation is good for cardiac health.

redox99 1y ago
But wine has alcohol. And even if it actually were good for cardiac health, people should be aware that they are trading cardiac health for dementia risk.
000ooo000 1y ago
>It is certainly still possible that wine in moderation is good for cardiac health. Fairly sure that is mostly debunked, or at least grossly misleading, as the quantity of wine required to see cardiovascular benefit is high enough that any benefit is outweighed by the negative effects of the large quantity of wine required.

cies 1y ago

I think the reason why wine/alcohol was deemed good for health was that the study was on US population who are generally overweight, and thus usually have arterial plaque narrowing their arteries. Alcohol acts as a blood thinner, thus it was healthy for the unhealthy. But it was not, and has never been, healthy for the healthy.

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borroka 1y ago

I don't think that the "I drink wine because it is healthy", is the main driver of people's drinking--not even the fifth. After all, I have yet to see a sober person picking up drinking wine because it is good for their health. Let's have a sober conversation on this: I drink a glass or half a glass of wine most nights because I like it.

redox99 1y ago
I think some people who like wine, would drink less often if they considered it bad for you. But since "it's good" you might as well drink every night.
- borroka 1y ago
  I have never heard of them, those are the mythical beings nobody has ever seen. If it were true, the opposite would be likely true as well (I don't like red wine, but I drink if because it is good for my health). The negative effects one could operate on are putting on weight, not sleeping as well at night, bad breath, sleepiness, but not a fear-mongering article in which it is said that any amount of alcohol increases the risk of dementia. I am talking about a glass of wine; if the current regime is a bottle of wine a day, the whole equation changes.
  - redox99 1y ago
    It's the same as cigarette taxes, abortion laws, and so on. People claim nobody changes their mind because of it, but statistically the impact is significant.
    - borroka 1y ago
      You cannot compare the cigarette tax to a study saying that even minimal alcohol consumption increases the risk of dementia. If you increase the price of wine 5x, I am sure fewer people would drink, but that's a very wild extrapolation, context-wise, of this conversation. The same applies to abortion laws: not even in my wildest dreams would I compare their effects on abortion rates to the effects on behavior that the results of the study discussed in this thread would cause.

mothballed 1y ago

And occasionally having a cigar is associated with ever so slightly lower rates of lung cancer. Being rich enough to buy luxuries is good for your health.

fsckboy 1y ago

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-red-wine-good-actually-for-your-heart-2018021913285 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-red-wine-good-actuall... Moderate drinking — defined as one drink per day for healthy women and two drinks per day for healthy men — is widely considered safe. But to date, the health effects of alcohol have never been tested in a long-term, randomized trial. that sentence was written as skepticism of the health benefits to drinking wine. But if the health effects of alcohol have never been studied long term, I don't see how you can claim health benefits are a myth.