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I'm glad they'll be focusing on a single OS across more devices, but I'm very concerned there will be no workaround for installing "untrusted" apps. Without ult
by xnx 1y ago
I'm glad they'll be focusing on a single OS across more devices, but I'm very concerned there will be no workaround for installing "untrusted" apps. Without ultimate user control of the device, they'll just be ad/influence appliances.
- gclawes 1y agoWorse, surveillance appliances. Highly likely we'll see mandatory client-side scanning apps in EU soon, and possibly Digital ID stuff in the UK. Great opportunity for mandatory remote attestation and mandatory software.
- thewebguyd 1y agoThat's definitely where things are heading I think. All of Google's changes point to getting ready for this. The big tech companies are boiling the frog, trying to get us used to Linux just being an "app" we run on our licensed, not managed by us devices. Google will point to the linux terminal app on Android and go "see, it's OK that we're making these sideloading changes - you can just run Linux (in a VM, on a device you don't have root on). WSL also gets us used to the idea that Linux is just an app. Get ready for people to not see between the lines, adopt it, and then the rug will get pulled. We'll see hardware OEMs that lock boot loaders, no more alternative OS for you, or if you do manage to install another OS, you won't get to access any internet services because you won't pass the device attestation checks.
- mikestorrent 1y agoYes. There is a potential future a year or two from now where your system will be required to prove firmware-upward that it is unmodified, and that you're licensed (and perhaps over-18 too), to access a huge percentage of websites. All it will take is Cloudflare et al. offering it as a free option for every CDN customer and who wouldn't turn it on? Especially if the alternative is having to handle ID verification yourself, right?
- bitwize 1y agoBrazil already has a law on the books requiring online services and "terminal operating systems" to do age verification in a government approved manner.
- transpute 1y agoQualcomm Arm PCs support hardware nested virtualization for pKVM L0 and KVM L1 hypervisor, similar to Pixel devices. This could enable Debian Linux in a VM, currently available on Pixel as "Linux Terminal" for developers, with all Debian Arm packages and root access in the VM. "Terminal app can now run full graphical Linux apps in the latest Android Canary", https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44681858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44681858 "Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android", https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43985513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43985513
- rs186 1y agoSo? Technical capability often has little to do with how the product works.
- rileymat2 1y agoI really miss the days where companies sold tools and consumers could use them in flexible and creative ways that would never have been considered by the manufacturer.
- thewebguyd 1y agoSame, but companies discovered they could make more money by rent seeking instead. Blame growth culture. It wasn't enough to have a sustainable business, it must grow rapidly with a clear exit, either IPO or acquisition.
- pjmlp 1y agoExample, the way NDK is supposed to be used on Android, as means to implement native methods for Java/Kotlin, or plain games, with a specific list of supported APIs and nothing else. Anything outside of what is allowed, may work or crash and burn.
- hulitu 1y ago> This could enable Debian Linux in a VM, This is like making sex in public. It is doable, but dangerous.
- SnuffBox 1y agoThey decided it'd be more efficient to make one thing worse than two at the same time.