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it's been like this for decades, there's been a huge amount of peddling lies and untruths regarding tech jobs and careers.

Braxton1980 1y ago
What lie? Some people have tech jobs. If I tell you plumbing is a good industry to get into why would you infer a job is guaranteed?
- kulahan 1y ago
  If you say it? I wouldn't infer that. If the president, media, teachers, influencers, the richest people on the planet, and my parents say it? I probably would. I think it's disingenuous to imply this wasn't strongly recommended as the ideal way to get a high paying job straight out of college that only improves over time.
  - fluoridation 1y ago
    Even the way you've phrased it, nothing says a job is guaranteed. The phrases "software engineering careers are currently _the best_ in terms of ROI" and "an aspiring software engineer is not guaranteed to succeed" could currently be simultaneously true.
    - kulahan 1y ago
      You’re right, but the topic was whether or not it’s implied, and it pretty clearly is.
  - OrderlyTiamat 1y ago
    Not to mention the (arguably almost spiteful) campaigns to tell professionals in other fields to "learn to code" if they lose their job, as though it's a fit for everyone.
    - Braxton1980 1y ago
      How is it spiteful to offer an alternative?
  - Braxton1980 1y ago
    >only improves over time. Where is this inferred?
bogwog 1y ago
Bad for the people who wasted time and money getting the degree, good for the people who can pay lower wages now that supply is so far ahead of demand (at least at the entry level)
- lagniappe 1y ago
  The degree in this field is optional.
  - klipklop 1y ago
    Considering the glut of employees, the minimum hiring bar for entry level is now a masters degree. Why? Because you have a nearly unlimited number of people that can code well, are young and have a masters degree. The person without the degrees is getting their application tossed into the bin at the entry level. There is no reason to consider them (Note, I do not agree with this, but this is the reality). This is very much a situation you can have your cake, and eat it too.
    - timw4mail 1y ago
      The majority of degree requirements are lazy gatekeeping.

Braxton1980 1y ago

What lie? Some people have tech jobs. If I tell you plumbing is a good industry to get into why would you infer a job is guaranteed?

kulahan 1y ago
If you say it? I wouldn't infer that. If the president, media, teachers, influencers, the richest people on the planet, and my parents say it? I probably would. I think it's disingenuous to imply this wasn't strongly recommended as the ideal way to get a high paying job straight out of college that only improves over time.
- fluoridation 1y ago
  Even the way you've phrased it, nothing says a job is guaranteed. The phrases "software engineering careers are currently _the best_ in terms of ROI" and "an aspiring software engineer is not guaranteed to succeed" could currently be simultaneously true.
  - kulahan 1y ago
    You’re right, but the topic was whether or not it’s implied, and it pretty clearly is.
- OrderlyTiamat 1y ago
  Not to mention the (arguably almost spiteful) campaigns to tell professionals in other fields to "learn to code" if they lose their job, as though it's a fit for everyone.
  - Braxton1980 1y ago
    How is it spiteful to offer an alternative?
- Braxton1980 1y ago
  >only improves over time. Where is this inferred?

bogwog 1y ago

Bad for the people who wasted time and money getting the degree, good for the people who can pay lower wages now that supply is so far ahead of demand (at least at the entry level)

lagniappe 1y ago
The degree in this field is optional.
- klipklop 1y ago
  Considering the glut of employees, the minimum hiring bar for entry level is now a masters degree. Why? Because you have a nearly unlimited number of people that can code well, are young and have a masters degree. The person without the degrees is getting their application tossed into the bin at the entry level. There is no reason to consider them (Note, I do not agree with this, but this is the reality). This is very much a situation you can have your cake, and eat it too.
  - timw4mail 1y ago
    The majority of degree requirements are lazy gatekeeping.