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"As anyone who has tried the iOS6 betas can confirm"... by violating their NDA and confirming issues with _beta_ software? I'm guessing, myself, that the Apple

"As anyone who has tried the iOS6 betas can confirm"... by violating their NDA and confirming issues with _beta_ software? I'm guessing, myself, that the Apple Maps are going to be crappy compared to google for at least a year, or two. And it's probably going to be half a decade before we see even rough parity on their routing (particularly walking/transit). But lets be critical about their released product and respect the Beta envelope until it's opened.

guelo 14y ago
No, I'd rather we didn't all voluntarily self censor to benefit Apple's paranoid secretive marketing.
kristofferR 14y ago
The final GM version has been out for over a week now, you don't sign an NDA if you download it from third party sources. The maps still sucks in the GM version.
- Bud 14y ago
  Not to be a stickler, but the map data comes from the server, not from the Maps app itself. Thus, even though you have the GM Maps app, you do not necessarily know whether the user experience will still suck on the final release day, tomorrow. They could push out some final massive improvement to the server data before then. :) (No, I have no special knowledge of this, and if I did I wouldn't say.) Full disclosure: I am biased. I worked on Apple's maps team, last year, so naturally I want the app to be good.
  - kristofferR 14y ago
    Well, the reviewers have had access to the same data as I have and critized the map data quality - I doubt Apple would delay an update of their map data they have ready to launch just for the heck of it at the cost of a lot of negative commentary. The app itself is great, unfortunately the data quality isn't anywhere close to even the quality the iOS 5 Google Maps data. Apart from the obvious flaws like no street view or transit data, the pure data is not good too unfortunately. Let's hope Apple improves it fast, but I'm not too hopeful considering that Google has spent the last 7 years gathering data and improving their maps (and getting a lot of exclusive info submitted by their users).
- tptacek 14y ago
  No, you just admit publicly to violating Apple's copyright in order to disparage them. Good play.
  - stickfigure 14y ago
    +1 to the person who publicly violates Apple's copyright to give us information. -1 to the person who complains about it.
eyko 14y ago
I'm sorry you feel this way about it, but the Golden Master has been out for a while and I'm not sure how this violates the NDA (I haven't said anything that you wouldn't have learnt from any website already from… "people who have tried the betas"), so it's not an issue with beta software. In fact, I was replying to the comment in order to confirm that yes, tomtom is probably the weakest partner, and the article is not showing simply a biased opinion.

guelo 14y ago

No, I'd rather we didn't all voluntarily self censor to benefit Apple's paranoid secretive marketing.

kristofferR 14y ago

The final GM version has been out for over a week now, you don't sign an NDA if you download it from third party sources. The maps still sucks in the GM version.

Bud 14y ago
Not to be a stickler, but the map data comes from the server, not from the Maps app itself. Thus, even though you have the GM Maps app, you do not necessarily know whether the user experience will still suck on the final release day, tomorrow. They could push out some final massive improvement to the server data before then. :) (No, I have no special knowledge of this, and if I did I wouldn't say.) Full disclosure: I am biased. I worked on Apple's maps team, last year, so naturally I want the app to be good.
- kristofferR 14y ago
  Well, the reviewers have had access to the same data as I have and critized the map data quality - I doubt Apple would delay an update of their map data they have ready to launch just for the heck of it at the cost of a lot of negative commentary. The app itself is great, unfortunately the data quality isn't anywhere close to even the quality the iOS 5 Google Maps data. Apart from the obvious flaws like no street view or transit data, the pure data is not good too unfortunately. Let's hope Apple improves it fast, but I'm not too hopeful considering that Google has spent the last 7 years gathering data and improving their maps (and getting a lot of exclusive info submitted by their users).
tptacek 14y ago
No, you just admit publicly to violating Apple's copyright in order to disparage them. Good play.
- stickfigure 14y ago
  +1 to the person who publicly violates Apple's copyright to give us information. -1 to the person who complains about it.

eyko 14y ago

I'm sorry you feel this way about it, but the Golden Master has been out for a while and I'm not sure how this violates the NDA (I haven't said anything that you wouldn't have learnt from any website already from… "people who have tried the betas"), so it's not an issue with beta software. In fact, I was replying to the comment in order to confirm that yes, tomtom is probably the weakest partner, and the article is not showing simply a biased opinion.