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What the F*ck Is Artificial General Intelligence?
- comeonbro 1y ago> simp-maxxing Might want to write this out in full lol I thought this in particular was going to be a much more entertaining point.
- zahlman 1y agoTo be fair, it is spelled with a single 'x' in the paper.
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- mwkaufma 1y agoA term in search of a definition, clearly.
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- mbgerring 1y agoFrom what I can see, Artificial General Intelligence is a drug-fueled millenarian cult, and attempts to define it that don't consider this angle will fail.
- nativeit 1y agoThis feels like we’re approaching consensus. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45418763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45418763
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- ronsor 1y agoThat's funny. I see half of everyone on HN being critical of AI, often unfairly so, but we only ever notice the people we disagree with. I'm guilty of this as well, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this.
- emil-lp 1y ago[flagged]
- adastra22 1y agoIt isn’t a dichotomy. It is possible for AI to be useful, not a scam, yet also overhyped by people who do not understand it.
- dang 1y ago"Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- zwnow 1y agoWhich is weird given that AI critique usually gets down voted while the frontpage is full of "look what this new model can do" posts every day.
- dang 1y agoYou may be the first person I've ever seen making this point! besides myself making it ad nauseum: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... (or maybe I just haven't noticed the others because I agree with them)
- ks2048 1y agoI'm not sure if there's anything interesting here, but I did notice the author was interviewed on the podcast Machine Learning Street Talk about this paper, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K18Gmp2oXIM&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K18Gmp2oXIM&t=3s
- jongjong 1y agoIt's been a moving goalpost but I think the point where people will be forced to acknowledge it is when fully autonomous agents are outcompeting most humans in most areas. So long as half of people are employed or in business, these people will insist that it's not AGI yet. Until AI can fully replace you in your job, it's going to continue to feel like a tool.
- ACCount37 1y agoI wonder if all the grad students that struggle to find jobs now and all the cheap workers in India who were laid off are "feeling the AGI" then.
- slfnflctd 1y agoRobotics are also a big one. Given a useful-enough general purpose body (with multiple appendage options), one of the most significant applications of whatever we end up calling AGI should be finally seeing most of our household chores properly roboticized. When I can actually give plain language descriptions of 'simple' manual tasks around the house to a machine the same way I would to, say, a human 4th grader, and not have to spend more time helping it get through the task than it would take me to do it myself, that is when I will feel we have turned the corner. I still am not at all convinced I will see this within the next few decades I probably have left.
- realityfactchex 1y agoIt would mean actually reasoning, not just applying stats to look like reasoning.
- drdeca 1y agoWhat do you mean by “just applying stats”?
- EliRivers 1y agoPicture a machine endowed with human intellect. In its most simplistic form, that is Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) Artificial human intelligence. Not what I'd call general, but I guess so long as we make it clear that by "general" we don't actually mean general, fine. I'd really expect actual general intelligence to do a lot better than human, in ways we can't understand any more than ants can comprehend us.
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- UltraSane 1y agoHumans are the best/only example of General Intelligence we have.
- jonny_eh 1y agoPlease fix the title in HN to match the actual paper's superior title: "What the F*ck Is Artificial General Intelligence?"
- dang 1y agoWe don't have an issue with profanity on HN but we do take out clickbait. Edit: ok you guys, I take the point and have put the original title back. More at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45430354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45430354.
- adastra22 1y agoReplace it with “what the cuss”?
- dang 1y agoThe word 'fuck' isn't the issue. The issue is that "What the fuck is AGI", as a title, doesn't add anything besides sensationalism to "What is AGI".
- adastra22 1y agoI don’t know. They typically read entirely differently to me, in the sense that what I would expect to see after clicking the link is different. I admit though the in this case “What is AGI?” better matches expectation to reality. Before I noticed the domain, “What the f*ck is AGI?” would have led me to expect more of a technical blog post with a playful presentation rather than the review article it actually is.
- UltraSane 1y agoIt communicates that the paper will probably be a lot less "stuffy" than the typical fancy science PDF
- blooalien 1y ago
- nis0s 1y agoPer my view, it fulfills the following criteria: 1) Few-shot to zero-shot training for achieving a useful ability on a given new problem. 2) Self-determining optimal paths to fine-tuning at inference time based on minimal instructions or examples. 3) Having the capacity to self-correct, maybe by building or confirming heuristics. All of these concern an intern, for example, who is given a new, unseen task and can figure out the rest without handholding.
- SeanLuke 1y agoMy answer: while 99% of the AI community was busy working on Weak AI, that is, developing systems that could perform tasks that humans can do notionally because of our Big Brains, a tiny fraction of people promoted Hard AI, that is, AI as a philosophical recreation of Lt. Commander Data. Hard AI has long had a well-deserved jet black reputation as a flakey field filled with armchair philosophers, hucksters, impressarios, and Loebner followers who don't understand the Turing Test. It eventually got so bad that the entire field decided to rebrand itself as "Artificial General Intelligence". But it's the same duck.
- cogman10 1y agoThe only difference is the same hucksters are trying to sell the notion that LLMs are or will become AGI through some sort of magic trick or with just one more input.
- adastra22 1y ago“Strong AI” is the traditional term to compare with “Weak AI.”
- SeanLuke 1y agoMy bad. Of course it is. Had a brain fart there.
- getnormality 1y agoIn statistics, sample efficiency means you can precisely estimate a specified parameter like the mean with few samples. In AI, it seems to mean that the AI can learn how to do unspecified, very general stuff without much data. Like the underlying truth about the world and how to reach one's goals within it is just some giant parameter vector that we need to infer more or less efficiently from "sampled" sensory data.
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- robotcookies 1y agoIt is intelligence created by design rather than by natural selection.
- heresie-dabord 1y agoThe limitation of your definition is that any intelligence that is untrained will have a high rate of failure. So, an intelligence may have evolved in geological time or in laboratorical time, but the ability of the intelligence to learn to think and solve problems will distinguish it from the high rate of general failure.