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how to go straight to jail 101

wongarsu 1y ago
You are only downloading metadata, and csam content is filtered. But yes, I would also rate it as a legally risky activity
- IlikeKitties 1y ago
  > csam content is filtered Filtered how? By some keywords I don't want to know? What about encrypted zips of CSAM? There's no way to filter that in reality. If you want to learn more about why and you can either speak German or can handle youtubes auto translate i recommend this documentation on the matter[0]. The Pedo Criminals are using scene methods to share their illegal content. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndk0nfppc_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndk0nfppc_k
  - wongarsu 1y ago
    Yes, a simple keyword list in the classifier, matched on the torrent name and file names. Easy enough to find in the source if you look for it. That filter won't help against people uploading CSAM as documents.7z. But any filter that would want to do something against that would require downloading the content, which would be even more illegal (in addition to being wildly impractical)
  - knowaveragejoe 1y ago
    Would it matter if it's metadata-only until you download?
  - jasonfarnon 1y ago
    why not just exclude encrypted zips?
    - wongarsu 1y ago
      bitmagnet only has the info you get by looking up the infohash in the dht, which is basically the same info that's stored in a .torrent file: a name, a list of files with offsets and paths, and a bunch of block hashes. That's not a lot to go on, and e.g. doesn't tell you if the zip is encrypted I guess you could filter all torrents that include just zips/rars/7zips. That would exclude a lot of harmless content. Probably too much harmless content to make it a default, but if you only care about hollywood releases it would be a useful filter If there was a public list of hashes of (8/18KiB blocks of) CSAM content that would be useful for a filter, but I don't think such a thing exists
      - IlikeKitties 1y ago
        > If there was a public list of hashes of (8/18KiB blocks of) CSAM content that would be useful for a filter, but I don't think such a thing exists But wouldn't that just be a list of CSAM to look up?
        baobun 1y ago
        Hence its public absence.
sorenjan 1y ago
Does running an indexer and crawler help make the content available to others, or why would this be legally risky? Why would anyone care about what kind of Docker container I run on my home server?

You are only downloading metadata, and csam content is filtered. But yes, I would also rate it as a legally risky activity

IlikeKitties 1y ago
> csam content is filtered Filtered how? By some keywords I don't want to know? What about encrypted zips of CSAM? There's no way to filter that in reality. If you want to learn more about why and you can either speak German or can handle youtubes auto translate i recommend this documentation on the matter[0]. The Pedo Criminals are using scene methods to share their illegal content. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndk0nfppc_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndk0nfppc_k
- wongarsu 1y ago
  Yes, a simple keyword list in the classifier, matched on the torrent name and file names. Easy enough to find in the source if you look for it. That filter won't help against people uploading CSAM as documents.7z. But any filter that would want to do something against that would require downloading the content, which would be even more illegal (in addition to being wildly impractical)
- knowaveragejoe 1y ago
  Would it matter if it's metadata-only until you download?
- jasonfarnon 1y ago
  why not just exclude encrypted zips?
  - wongarsu 1y ago
    bitmagnet only has the info you get by looking up the infohash in the dht, which is basically the same info that's stored in a .torrent file: a name, a list of files with offsets and paths, and a bunch of block hashes. That's not a lot to go on, and e.g. doesn't tell you if the zip is encrypted I guess you could filter all torrents that include just zips/rars/7zips. That would exclude a lot of harmless content. Probably too much harmless content to make it a default, but if you only care about hollywood releases it would be a useful filter If there was a public list of hashes of (8/18KiB blocks of) CSAM content that would be useful for a filter, but I don't think such a thing exists
    - IlikeKitties 1y ago
      > If there was a public list of hashes of (8/18KiB blocks of) CSAM content that would be useful for a filter, but I don't think such a thing exists But wouldn't that just be a list of CSAM to look up?
      - baobun 1y ago
        Hence its public absence.

sorenjan 1y ago

Does running an indexer and crawler help make the content available to others, or why would this be legally risky? Why would anyone care about what kind of Docker container I run on my home server?