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Any other admin and Apple would sue them. But in this case I think Apple will just apologize to them for not removing the watermark. Very nice to see these out

Any other admin and Apple would sue them. But in this case I think Apple will just apologize to them for not removing the watermark. Very nice to see these out in the open though. Saves some work. Even if it is the 16e.

gruez 1y ago
>Any other admin and Apple would sue them Examples of this happening in the past?
- hypeatei 1y ago
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  - gruez 1y ago
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    - hypeatei 1y ago
      Asking for past "examples" is like trying to compare apples to oranges in this scenario. My comment illustrates why this isn't comparable to another administration.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  Not this necessarily. But corporations have sued other administrations for a number of things. But they are afraid to cross Trump
  - stronglikedan 1y ago
    > But they are afraid to cross Trump If that were the case, there would be some examples of it like the person you are responding to asked for.
    - tempestn 1y ago
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      - stronglikedan 1y ago
        big maybe, but neither has this admin
        LocalH 1y ago
        This administration (and the legislature) has ramped the bullshit level to the stratosphere. Multiple government officials go on social media daily to spew bullshit rhetoric. No other previous administration has been as full of bullshit as this one.
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - scarface_74 1y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,.... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/06/business/us-steel-nippon-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/06/business/us-steel-nippon-... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/29/biden-faces-slew-lawsuits-business-groups-criticize-overreach.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/29/biden-faces-slew-lawsuits-bu...
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - ASalazarMX 1y ago
    Specially when megacorporations have fortunes in fiscal paradises, which is only possible because their local law has ample loopholes. Threaten to close the biggest loopholes and they will obey. I believe monopolies and megacorporations are a necessity for authoritarian governments.
sanskritical 1y ago
> Any other admin and Apple would sue them I doubt Apple could demonstrably prove damages before the civil statute of limitations expires. This is a nonstarter in court, and furthermore this is not negligence by the FCC. You do not have a right to keep your FCC filings from leaking under all circumstances, and the FCC has not assumed a civil obligation externally to your rights to do so. Government agencies do not sign NDAs when corporations submit technical documents to them. The Federal government has no obligation in statute to keep them secret, you asking them to is a polite suggestion to the FCC and holds no bearing in law. Even if you could prove damages, trying to bring a case under the Federal Tort Claims Act against the government for this would be a nightmare in any administration, and there's no way that the Supreme Court would cede the idea that the government has an absolute obligation your filings secret forever under pain of civil penalties. It's an embarrassing clerical error, but it isn't a tort.
- jffry 1y ago
  > I doubt Apple could demonstrably prove damages before the civil statute of limitations expires. Statute of Limitations is about how long you have to file the case, by no means is it a deadline by which you must fully prove damages and have no opportunity to continue your case after it passes.
  - sanskritical 1y ago
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ronsor 1y ago
> Apple would sue them. Apple fears the tariffs.
- fortran77 1y ago
  It's just very hard to sue a government agency. The FCC, as a federal agency, is subject primarily to lawsuits that challenge its rulemaking, implementation, or enforcement actions. This falls outside that scope.
  - immibis 1y ago
    IIRC there's a law that says the government is immune to lawsuits, so you can only sue it when there's another law that says you can in specific circumstances. This is why you can't sue the police when they bulldoze your house based on bad information, and you have to hope your own insurance covers it.
    - fortran77 1y ago
      What you're thinking of is "qualified immunity" and that protects individuals--govermenment offcials--from being sued when carrying out duties related to their jobs. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
      - majorchord 1y ago
        I think it's more likely they were referring to sovereign immunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_Unit...
- freedomben 1y ago
  Given how friendly Tim Cook is to Trump, and how being friendly to Trump gets you special carveouts/exemptions, I tend to think they are not afraid of retaliatory tariffs. But, in this day and age you really never know, so definitely a possibility.
gred 1y ago
There must be some sort of legal agreement governing the data sharing. NDAs tend to have something like: > The parties acknowledge that monetary damages may not be a sufficient remedy for unauthorized disclosure or use of Confidential Information [...list ways Apple is allowed to nail disclosing partner...]
- cogman10 1y ago
  That ain't how things work. The law is that you have to submit your schematics to the FCC if you want to sell a device with wireless communications so the FCC can validate that you aren't improperly using the wireless spectrum. The US might be corporate captured but it's not THAT corporate captured. The US government still has a bigger stick than apple does.

gruez 1y ago

>Any other admin and Apple would sue them Examples of this happening in the past?

hypeatei 1y ago
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- gruez 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - hypeatei 1y ago
    Asking for past "examples" is like trying to compare apples to oranges in this scenario. My comment illustrates why this isn't comparable to another administration.
scarface_74 1y ago
Not this necessarily. But corporations have sued other administrations for a number of things. But they are afraid to cross Trump
- stronglikedan 1y ago
  > But they are afraid to cross Trump If that were the case, there would be some examples of it like the person you are responding to asked for.
  - tempestn 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - stronglikedan 1y ago
      big maybe, but neither has this admin
      - LocalH 1y ago
        This administration (and the legislature) has ramped the bullshit level to the stratosphere. Multiple government officials go on social media daily to spew bullshit rhetoric. No other previous administration has been as full of bullshit as this one.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,.... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/06/business/us-steel-nippon-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/06/business/us-steel-nippon-... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/29/biden-faces-slew-lawsuits-business-groups-criticize-overreach.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/29/biden-faces-slew-lawsuits-bu...
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- ASalazarMX 1y ago
  Specially when megacorporations have fortunes in fiscal paradises, which is only possible because their local law has ample loopholes. Threaten to close the biggest loopholes and they will obey. I believe monopolies and megacorporations are a necessity for authoritarian governments.

sanskritical 1y ago

> Any other admin and Apple would sue them I doubt Apple could demonstrably prove damages before the civil statute of limitations expires. This is a nonstarter in court, and furthermore this is not negligence by the FCC. You do not have a right to keep your FCC filings from leaking under all circumstances, and the FCC has not assumed a civil obligation externally to your rights to do so. Government agencies do not sign NDAs when corporations submit technical documents to them. The Federal government has no obligation in statute to keep them secret, you asking them to is a polite suggestion to the FCC and holds no bearing in law. Even if you could prove damages, trying to bring a case under the Federal Tort Claims Act against the government for this would be a nightmare in any administration, and there's no way that the Supreme Court would cede the idea that the government has an absolute obligation your filings secret forever under pain of civil penalties. It's an embarrassing clerical error, but it isn't a tort.

jffry 1y ago
> I doubt Apple could demonstrably prove damages before the civil statute of limitations expires. Statute of Limitations is about how long you have to file the case, by no means is it a deadline by which you must fully prove damages and have no opportunity to continue your case after it passes.
- sanskritical 1y ago
  [dead]

ronsor 1y ago

> Apple would sue them. Apple fears the tariffs.

fortran77 1y ago
It's just very hard to sue a government agency. The FCC, as a federal agency, is subject primarily to lawsuits that challenge its rulemaking, implementation, or enforcement actions. This falls outside that scope.
- immibis 1y ago
  IIRC there's a law that says the government is immune to lawsuits, so you can only sue it when there's another law that says you can in specific circumstances. This is why you can't sue the police when they bulldoze your house based on bad information, and you have to hope your own insurance covers it.
  - fortran77 1y ago
    What you're thinking of is "qualified immunity" and that protects individuals--govermenment offcials--from being sued when carrying out duties related to their jobs. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
    - majorchord 1y ago
      I think it's more likely they were referring to sovereign immunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_Unit...
freedomben 1y ago
Given how friendly Tim Cook is to Trump, and how being friendly to Trump gets you special carveouts/exemptions, I tend to think they are not afraid of retaliatory tariffs. But, in this day and age you really never know, so definitely a possibility.

gred 1y ago

There must be some sort of legal agreement governing the data sharing. NDAs tend to have something like: > The parties acknowledge that monetary damages may not be a sufficient remedy for unauthorized disclosure or use of Confidential Information [...list ways Apple is allowed to nail disclosing partner...]

cogman10 1y ago
That ain't how things work. The law is that you have to submit your schematics to the FCC if you want to sell a device with wireless communications so the FCC can validate that you aren't improperly using the wireless spectrum. The US might be corporate captured but it's not THAT corporate captured. The US government still has a bigger stick than apple does.