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This is one of the weirdest takes I have ever heard.

by bluecheese452 1y ago

carlosjobim 1y ago
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- mothballed 1y ago
  It's a result of the law and the state taking the place of morality and ethics. If it is against the law it is bad and wrong. If it is legal it is OK and good. A large component of society has no particular code of ethics, religion, or internal moral framework. End result is if it's legal I can do it, and I shouldn't feel bad for doing so.
- ambicapter 1y ago
  > It seems to be that there's a very strange crowd hanging out on Hacker News, who are not aware of very basic social rules. This is a hilarious example of pot calling the kettle black.
- deleted 1y ago
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- GJim 1y ago
  > Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. I think you will find it is both good etiquette and very common to make polite requests ("rules") of guests you invite..... whether these be to 'bring a bottle', 'smoke outside', 'wear black tie', 'wear your birthday suit' or 'don't film us'. If you can't accommodate such requests, don't go.
  - carlosjobim 1y ago
    One of those is different from the others. And yes, it's very common for people to not go to an event if the hosts are making up strange demands.
    - seb1204 1y ago
      How are they different? It appears you agree that if one does not like the rule they should not go. At the same time my impression is that you still want to go but dislike the rule.
      - timeinput 1y ago
        I think its that the rules they agree with are okay, and everyone should agree with that. The one rule they disagree with isn't okay. We're left to guess which rule isn't like the others. I personally would find it very strange to be asked to show up in my birthday suit.
    - timeinput 1y ago
      I think you might find that most parties where the request is "show up in your birthday suit" also request that you not film there.
- vanviegen 1y ago
  I'm not familiar with this old and cherished tradition of each guest taking photos and videos of a wedding they attend, in order to show them off to anybody who will look in exchange for reputation points. Your idea of a polite society sounds rather rude to me.
- ewhanley 1y ago
  Wedding photographers often ask people to refrain from taking photos during the ceremony. It sucks to have every photo that you hired a professional to take have a sea of people holding up cell phones so they can each take their own photo. In this case it's not rude to request that people not take images, it's a practical matter so people can have photos of their wedding instead of photos of people taking photos of their wedding. Much of this wouldn't be necessary if people could just be present at events instead of rigorously chronicling their every experience.
- toolazytologin 1y ago
  > It seems to be that there's a very strange crowd hanging out on Hacker News, who are not aware of very basic social rules. Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. Because people will simply make excuses and not come to your wedding or whatnot. Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event? I don’t think that stands up to scrutiny. Every event has rules — it’s inherent in being “an event” as opposed to pure chaos. Whether or not the rules are strange is open to individual interpretation. If you can’t abide by the rules of an event you are not welcome at the event. People’s polite tolerance of others’ anti-social behavior does not mean the behavior is welcome.
  - carlosjobim 1y ago
    Your comment is confused as to you believing that people would want to come to events with strange rules and not follow those rules. What happens in real life is that people decline to go to those events. Everybody knows how to behave at a wedding and what is proper conduct. > Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event? Absolutely, in the case of strange, unusual rules. If you're invited for dinner to somebody and they ask that you oblige to things which are outside of the norm, would you be very keen to go? Or would you make up an excuse and do something else? It seems you are trying to say "You're not welcome here!" to people who already declined an invite?
    - toolazytologin 1y ago
      > It seems you are trying to say "You're not welcome here!" to people who already declined an invite? These things are not mutually exclusive. If you don’t want to abide by the rules, you are not welcome and you should decline. Perhaps the organizer isn’t aware of your preference and your declining helps inform them. If they prefer your presence more than they like their silly rules, they might change them. Deciding to attend a social gathering where you intentionally ignore the rules that you don’t like is narcissistic and rude behavior.
- timeinput 1y ago
  Okay? Most of my friends don't take videos and post them on the internet when I invite them around for games, or a nice dinner, or a birthday. If they started to I would ask them not to come, or invite them on the condition they don't do that. If they don't come because they have to do that constantly, and I don't want to participate I'm not sure what I'm losing. Lets replace take videos with something maybe more obviously offensive to most people: Most of my friends don't insult my mother / wife / husband / partner when I invite them around for games, or a nice dinner, or a birthday. If they started to I would ask them not to come, or invite them on the condition they don't do that. If they don't come because they have to do that constantly, and I don't want to participate I'm not sure what I'm losing. I personally find not respecting my privacy preference in my home pretty darn insulting. Also people have been having friends over for dinner 100x longer (probably much longer, but I'm just going with how long things have been written down) than video recording has existed, so I'm unsure what traditions you're trying to uphold. Also I have guests over for dinner because I enjoy their company, not tradition.
- tomhow 1y ago
  Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is one of the weirdest takes I have ever heard.

carlosjobim 1y ago

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mothballed 1y ago
It's a result of the law and the state taking the place of morality and ethics. If it is against the law it is bad and wrong. If it is legal it is OK and good. A large component of society has no particular code of ethics, religion, or internal moral framework. End result is if it's legal I can do it, and I shouldn't feel bad for doing so.
ambicapter 1y ago
> It seems to be that there's a very strange crowd hanging out on Hacker News, who are not aware of very basic social rules. This is a hilarious example of pot calling the kettle black.
deleted 1y ago
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GJim 1y ago
> Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. I think you will find it is both good etiquette and very common to make polite requests ("rules") of guests you invite..... whether these be to 'bring a bottle', 'smoke outside', 'wear black tie', 'wear your birthday suit' or 'don't film us'. If you can't accommodate such requests, don't go.
- carlosjobim 1y ago
  One of those is different from the others. And yes, it's very common for people to not go to an event if the hosts are making up strange demands.
  - seb1204 1y ago
    How are they different? It appears you agree that if one does not like the rule they should not go. At the same time my impression is that you still want to go but dislike the rule.
    - timeinput 1y ago
      I think its that the rules they agree with are okay, and everyone should agree with that. The one rule they disagree with isn't okay. We're left to guess which rule isn't like the others. I personally would find it very strange to be asked to show up in my birthday suit.
  - timeinput 1y ago
    I think you might find that most parties where the request is "show up in your birthday suit" also request that you not film there.
vanviegen 1y ago
I'm not familiar with this old and cherished tradition of each guest taking photos and videos of a wedding they attend, in order to show them off to anybody who will look in exchange for reputation points. Your idea of a polite society sounds rather rude to me.
ewhanley 1y ago
Wedding photographers often ask people to refrain from taking photos during the ceremony. It sucks to have every photo that you hired a professional to take have a sea of people holding up cell phones so they can each take their own photo. In this case it's not rude to request that people not take images, it's a practical matter so people can have photos of their wedding instead of photos of people taking photos of their wedding. Much of this wouldn't be necessary if people could just be present at events instead of rigorously chronicling their every experience.
toolazytologin 1y ago
> It seems to be that there's a very strange crowd hanging out on Hacker News, who are not aware of very basic social rules. Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. Because people will simply make excuses and not come to your wedding or whatnot. Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event? I don’t think that stands up to scrutiny. Every event has rules — it’s inherent in being “an event” as opposed to pure chaos. Whether or not the rules are strange is open to individual interpretation. If you can’t abide by the rules of an event you are not welcome at the event. People’s polite tolerance of others’ anti-social behavior does not mean the behavior is welcome.
- carlosjobim 1y ago
  Your comment is confused as to you believing that people would want to come to events with strange rules and not follow those rules. What happens in real life is that people decline to go to those events. Everybody knows how to behave at a wedding and what is proper conduct. > Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event? Absolutely, in the case of strange, unusual rules. If you're invited for dinner to somebody and they ask that you oblige to things which are outside of the norm, would you be very keen to go? Or would you make up an excuse and do something else? It seems you are trying to say "You're not welcome here!" to people who already declined an invite?
  - toolazytologin 1y ago
    > It seems you are trying to say "You're not welcome here!" to people who already declined an invite? These things are not mutually exclusive. If you don’t want to abide by the rules, you are not welcome and you should decline. Perhaps the organizer isn’t aware of your preference and your declining helps inform them. If they prefer your presence more than they like their silly rules, they might change them. Deciding to attend a social gathering where you intentionally ignore the rules that you don’t like is narcissistic and rude behavior.
timeinput 1y ago
Okay? Most of my friends don't take videos and post them on the internet when I invite them around for games, or a nice dinner, or a birthday. If they started to I would ask them not to come, or invite them on the condition they don't do that. If they don't come because they have to do that constantly, and I don't want to participate I'm not sure what I'm losing. Lets replace take videos with something maybe more obviously offensive to most people: Most of my friends don't insult my mother / wife / husband / partner when I invite them around for games, or a nice dinner, or a birthday. If they started to I would ask them not to come, or invite them on the condition they don't do that. If they don't come because they have to do that constantly, and I don't want to participate I'm not sure what I'm losing. I personally find not respecting my privacy preference in my home pretty darn insulting. Also people have been having friends over for dinner 100x longer (probably much longer, but I'm just going with how long things have been written down) than video recording has existed, so I'm unsure what traditions you're trying to uphold. Also I have guests over for dinner because I enjoy their company, not tradition.
tomhow 1y ago
Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html