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https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v3.2-exp https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v3.2-exp

by esafak 1y ago

nacs 1y ago
Strange - the model is marked as "Trains on data" ("To our knowledge, this provider may use your prompts and completions to train new models. This provider is disabled, but it can be re-enabled by changing your data policy."). This is usually not the case for paid models -- is Openrouter just marking this model incorrectly or do Deepseek actually train on submitted data?
- esafak 1y ago
  https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-policy.html https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol... https://openrouter.ai/docs/features/privacy-and-logging#data-retention--logging https://openrouter.ai/docs/features/privacy-and-logging#data... It seems so.
- seunosewa 1y ago
  It is no longer the case that paid providers don't train on your data on Openrouter. You can exclude such sources in the settings.
  - nacs 1y ago
    Yep I have that setting disabled so the number of providers for that model on Openrouter currently is 0 for me. I guess I'll wait for a 3rd party provider on Openrouter that doesn't log DS 3.2.
echelon 1y ago
Is Open Router really open? I see their "main" repo as archived and various smaller projects. Is it just the API client bindings that are open and the core routing service is closed!
- esafak 1y ago
  I don't know why they need to claim to be open. Their job is to connect you to providers on the basis of price and various metrics they track. Open or close would makes no difference to me.
  - echelon 1y ago
    It's in the name. Why not name themselves ModelRouter or something similar? If they lead the market, they'll extract value in lots of ways that an open company could at least be compelled not to. Plus there won't be competition. They're probably selling your data to LLM companies and you don't even see what they're doing. Without competition, they'll raise their rates. If they were open, you could potentially run the offering on-prem. You could bolt on new providers or use it internally for your own routing. Lots of reasons.
    - esafak 1y ago
      They can't raise their prices much because providers have the upper band, so users will always be able to go directly to the source. I use openrouter and openai, anthropic, google, etc.
    - burkaman 1y ago
      Here's an open source alternative you can self-host: https://llmgateway.io/ https://llmgateway.io/ I think it's just called OpenRouter because the founder previously started OpenSea (an NFT marketplace), and also probably to sound a bit similar to OpenAI. It's like companies calling their products "natural" or "organic" or "artisan" when they can get away with it, just a marketing strategy of using words that conjure up vaguely positive connotations in your mind.
      - smakosh 1y ago
        Fun fact, we own closedrouter.ai and redirects to llmgateway.io
  - wongarsu 1y ago

https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v3.2-exp https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v3.2-exp

by esafak 1y ago

https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v3.2-exp https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v3.2-exp

nacs 1y ago

Strange - the model is marked as "Trains on data" ("To our knowledge, this provider may use your prompts and completions to train new models. This provider is disabled, but it can be re-enabled by changing your data policy."). This is usually not the case for paid models -- is Openrouter just marking this model incorrectly or do Deepseek actually train on submitted data?

esafak 1y ago
https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-policy.html https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol... https://openrouter.ai/docs/features/privacy-and-logging#data-retention--logging https://openrouter.ai/docs/features/privacy-and-logging#data... It seems so.
seunosewa 1y ago
It is no longer the case that paid providers don't train on your data on Openrouter. You can exclude such sources in the settings.
- nacs 1y ago
  Yep I have that setting disabled so the number of providers for that model on Openrouter currently is 0 for me. I guess I'll wait for a 3rd party provider on Openrouter that doesn't log DS 3.2.

echelon 1y ago

Is Open Router really open? I see their "main" repo as archived and various smaller projects. Is it just the API client bindings that are open and the core routing service is closed!

esafak 1y ago
I don't know why they need to claim to be open. Their job is to connect you to providers on the basis of price and various metrics they track. Open or close would makes no difference to me.
- echelon 1y ago
  It's in the name. Why not name themselves ModelRouter or something similar? If they lead the market, they'll extract value in lots of ways that an open company could at least be compelled not to. Plus there won't be competition. They're probably selling your data to LLM companies and you don't even see what they're doing. Without competition, they'll raise their rates. If they were open, you could potentially run the offering on-prem. You could bolt on new providers or use it internally for your own routing. Lots of reasons.
  - esafak 1y ago
    They can't raise their prices much because providers have the upper band, so users will always be able to go directly to the source. I use openrouter and openai, anthropic, google, etc.
  - burkaman 1y ago
    Here's an open source alternative you can self-host: https://llmgateway.io/ https://llmgateway.io/ I think it's just called OpenRouter because the founder previously started OpenSea (an NFT marketplace), and also probably to sound a bit similar to OpenAI. It's like companies calling their products "natural" or "organic" or "artisan" when they can get away with it, just a marketing strategy of using words that conjure up vaguely positive connotations in your mind.
    - smakosh 1y ago
      Fun fact, we own closedrouter.ai and redirects to llmgateway.io
- wongarsu 1y ago