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what does this have to do with the story?

by andsoitis 1y ago

softwaredoug 1y ago
Well in part because Israel acts like a police state supported by a lot of Orwellian technology
- myroon5 1y ago
  Example: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)
  - kiliancs 1y ago
    If the targets are in other countries, deployed by other countries, I don't think this is a good example.
    - WickyNilliams 1y ago
      Better example? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/25/microsoft-blocks-israels-use-of-its-technology-in-mass-surveillance-of-palestinians https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/25/microsoft-bloc...
lupusreal 1y ago
How could Ellison's motivation for creating a surveillance state possibly not be relevant?
- andsoitis 1y ago
  > How could Ellison's motivation for creating a surveillance state possibly not be relevant? What is his motivation? Why is Israel relevant?
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    You're asking how Israel is relevant in American politics?
  - lupusreal 1y ago
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  - limpbizkitfan 1y ago
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amlalNzn 1y ago
The single largest private donor the IDF is pushing for a very anti American policy. I think it’s extremely relevant to point out their true loyalties lie elsewhere. > what does this have to do with the story? This is like seeing a web page not load due to a 504, then asking why people are discussing a database failure when your page isn’t loading. Patterns like Ellison are rife in American politics (look at some of trumps major donors, guys like Bill Ackman were lifelong dems that suddenly because conservative after Oct 7). It’s the reason we’re one of the only countries defending the genocide in Gaza. It plays a large part in our otherwise polarized congress showing bipartisan support for financing Israel’s “defenses”. America makes a lot of anti American decisions because guys like Ellison are some of the most powerful in the country.
throw0101c 1y ago
> what does this have to do with the story? Historical precedent: > It was the first conflict in which military action was precipitated by media involvement. The war grew out of U.S. interest in a fight for revolution between the Spanish military and citizens of their Cuban colony. American newspapers fanned the flames of interest in the war by fabricating atrocities which justified intervention in a number of Spanish colonies worldwide. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_propaganda_of_the_Spanish–American_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_propaganda_of_the_Spa... * https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/yellow-journalism https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/yellow-journa...
bhouston 1y ago
It is relevant because Ellison's concept of "best behavior" includes being pro-Israel. And he is in a position to implement this across the properties he now owns including TikTok, and CBS News and possibly more if he also acquired CNN.

what does this have to do with the story?

softwaredoug 1y ago

Well in part because Israel acts like a police state supported by a lot of Orwellian technology

myroon5 1y ago
Example: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)
- kiliancs 1y ago
  If the targets are in other countries, deployed by other countries, I don't think this is a good example.
  - WickyNilliams 1y ago
    Better example? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/25/microsoft-blocks-israels-use-of-its-technology-in-mass-surveillance-of-palestinians https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/25/microsoft-bloc...

lupusreal 1y ago

How could Ellison's motivation for creating a surveillance state possibly not be relevant?

andsoitis 1y ago
> How could Ellison's motivation for creating a surveillance state possibly not be relevant? What is his motivation? Why is Israel relevant?
- Hikikomori 1y ago
  You're asking how Israel is relevant in American politics?
- lupusreal 1y ago
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- limpbizkitfan 1y ago
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amlalNzn 1y ago

The single largest private donor the IDF is pushing for a very anti American policy. I think it’s extremely relevant to point out their true loyalties lie elsewhere. > what does this have to do with the story? This is like seeing a web page not load due to a 504, then asking why people are discussing a database failure when your page isn’t loading. Patterns like Ellison are rife in American politics (look at some of trumps major donors, guys like Bill Ackman were lifelong dems that suddenly because conservative after Oct 7). It’s the reason we’re one of the only countries defending the genocide in Gaza. It plays a large part in our otherwise polarized congress showing bipartisan support for financing Israel’s “defenses”. America makes a lot of anti American decisions because guys like Ellison are some of the most powerful in the country.

throw0101c 1y ago

> what does this have to do with the story? Historical precedent: > It was the first conflict in which military action was precipitated by media involvement. The war grew out of U.S. interest in a fight for revolution between the Spanish military and citizens of their Cuban colony. American newspapers fanned the flames of interest in the war by fabricating atrocities which justified intervention in a number of Spanish colonies worldwide. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_propaganda_of_the_Spanish–American_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_propaganda_of_the_Spa... * https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/yellow-journalism https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/yellow-journa...

bhouston 1y ago

It is relevant because Ellison's concept of "best behavior" includes being pro-Israel. And he is in a position to implement this across the properties he now owns including TikTok, and CBS News and possibly more if he also acquired CNN.