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I'm from Gen Z and the idea of being filmed and published online without my consent sounds like a nightmare. It is my belief that it's an invasion of privacy (

by lenors 1y ago

I'm from Gen Z and the idea of being filmed and published online without my consent sounds like a nightmare. It is my belief that it's an invasion of privacy (even in a public space) and questionable from a (cyber)security perspective. In France we got the Droit à l'image (Right to the image) which makes it illegal to post images or videos of people online without their consent, so that may be why that feels very strange to me.

ghaff 1y ago
And yet it happens thousands (or more) times a day. Even in the US there is the idea of publicity rights--I can't use an easily identifiable photo of you in an ad or other marketing materials. But posting on Flickr or wherever where someone hasn't shoved a camera in your face but you're easily identifiable? Happens all the time.
hdgvhicv 1y ago
Aside from the Eiffel Tower what actually benefits from that right? In many ways an unenforced right is worse than no right at all.
- ghaff 1y ago
  The Eiffel Tower situation is a somewhat complicated matter. You can (of course) publish a photo of the tower on your social media account. But the nighttime illumination is apparently copyrighted and it's not clear to me if the prohibition about publishing extends beyond commercial purposes anyway. I agree with your broader point. Recognizable people get their photos published on social media every second of every day and, while someone can probably find an outlier example where someone got prosecuted for doing so, it's incredibly rare at the least--even in countries where it's technically a violation of some law.
  - sdoering 1y ago
    In German, we also have a "Right to the image". It is based on our constitutional rights. But, if you are a public figure, as in you are a media person, a celebrity or politician. As in you are actually searching for publicity, the situation changes. Here the beauty of shades of grey and work for lawyers begins. Because while you have lost the clear cut black or white, there are still things that will get the person publishing into trouble. When I started my career in online journalism this was a very long discussed topic while we had our course at the Academy for Journalism in Hamburg. But for ordinary people, the right to your image is a quite strong protection.
Theodores 1y ago
France - where the 'Society of the Spectacle' was written by Guy Debord in the 1960s, where he predicted late stage capitalism as being mediated by images, so rather than reality, human existence and relationships between people are 'mediated by images'. This is at the heart of what is going on. Society of the Spectacle is not an easy read, but it most definitely is pertinent to what is going on. Instagram is the final boss!

by lenors 1y ago

ghaff 1y ago

And yet it happens thousands (or more) times a day. Even in the US there is the idea of publicity rights--I can't use an easily identifiable photo of you in an ad or other marketing materials. But posting on Flickr or wherever where someone hasn't shoved a camera in your face but you're easily identifiable? Happens all the time.

hdgvhicv 1y ago

Aside from the Eiffel Tower what actually benefits from that right? In many ways an unenforced right is worse than no right at all.

ghaff 1y ago
The Eiffel Tower situation is a somewhat complicated matter. You can (of course) publish a photo of the tower on your social media account. But the nighttime illumination is apparently copyrighted and it's not clear to me if the prohibition about publishing extends beyond commercial purposes anyway. I agree with your broader point. Recognizable people get their photos published on social media every second of every day and, while someone can probably find an outlier example where someone got prosecuted for doing so, it's incredibly rare at the least--even in countries where it's technically a violation of some law.
- sdoering 1y ago
  In German, we also have a "Right to the image". It is based on our constitutional rights. But, if you are a public figure, as in you are a media person, a celebrity or politician. As in you are actually searching for publicity, the situation changes. Here the beauty of shades of grey and work for lawyers begins. Because while you have lost the clear cut black or white, there are still things that will get the person publishing into trouble. When I started my career in online journalism this was a very long discussed topic while we had our course at the Academy for Journalism in Hamburg. But for ordinary people, the right to your image is a quite strong protection.

Theodores 1y ago

France - where the 'Society of the Spectacle' was written by Guy Debord in the 1960s, where he predicted late stage capitalism as being mediated by images, so rather than reality, human existence and relationships between people are 'mediated by images'. This is at the heart of what is going on. Society of the Spectacle is not an easy read, but it most definitely is pertinent to what is going on. Instagram is the final boss!