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I expect an airsoft venue is actually a private space, not a public one. Airsoft but-actually-in-public would have people concerned about a terrorist attack, no

by ljm 1y ago

I expect an airsoft venue is actually a private space, not a public one. Airsoft but-actually-in-public would have people concerned about a terrorist attack, not being recorded for insta. To that extent, the hobbyists who like to create content for the internet should be asking for consent since their footage, and arguably their clout, depends on the participation of everybody else in the group. Otherwise they're just traipsing around a private plot of land all kitted up but with nobody to shoot. If they're monetising that content then they are profiting from the OP's likeness. This is not far removed from the (fully understandable) blowback on influencers recording themselves (and often other people for rage-induced clout) inside gyms. These are also not public places.

crazygringo 1y ago
If it's private then it's up to the owner. And they may very well have decided that more customers want to take and share videos, than there are customers who are bothered by it. And nobody is talking about monetizing content here. There's no profit. If there were, that would be a different conversation obviously. But the post did not bring that up.
- pavel_lishin 1y ago
  > There is no profit. We don't know that.
  - hedora 1y ago
    Also, the bar of “you have no privacy if you can’t figure out how the entity stealing your data is profiting off it” isn’t great. At the very least, these videos are being used to train models. That’s a good way to bypass the union contracts that prevent Hollywood from digitally cloning film extras.
insertchatbot 1y ago
And also, some people could suffer real damages. Imagine if someone is lying to their wife about what they do on the weekend or about who they've gone to a conference with. Or imagine if someone has found themselves with dangerous enemies who discover where they go, what they do and with whom. At the moment, these things are not the problem of the person taking the video
- footy 1y ago
  right. My younger sister was stalked by a crazy ex for years. According to some of the people here that would mean she had no right to participate in a regular activity.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    No. It means you get a restraining order if there's a threat and contact the police the moment they violate it. We already have laws for that type of thing. Preventing anyone ever possibly taking pictures where you could be in the background is not the answer.
    - footy 1y ago
      there's a difference between > Preventing anyone ever possibly taking pictures where you could be in the background is not the answer. and asking not to be recorded at a recurring event.
  - pixl97 1y ago
    Since you're allergic to peanuts that means everybody should be banned from eating peanuts and we should stop growing them, right? While directly providing said stalker with information seems like a harmful, and likely prosecutable behavior, the indirect providing of information is not a burden the general public should bear for another parties already illegal actions.
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      > Since you're allergic to peanuts that means everybody should be banned from eating peanuts and we should stop growing them, right? My kid's school strictly bans peanut products due to at least one kid having a severe and potentially deadly allergy. It seems like a reasonable and necessary precautions to avoid harm or injury.
      - pixl97 1y ago
komali2 1y ago
> Airsoft but-actually-in-public would have people concerned about a terrorist attack, not being recorded for insta. I live in Taiwan. My friend and I were drinking beers by the river one night and decided to go on a late night bike ride, maybe 1am. We grabbed citybikes and tooled along the river, which in Taipei in many places is a nice bit of pavement next to massive mangroves and then the river itself. We were coming up on a brushy bit when a squad of completely kitted out soldiers came out of the bush with massive rifles, night vision goggles, full camo, geared to the nines. My buddy and I both nearly fell off our bikes and were immediately thinking the same thing: Oh fuck the PLA is here. Common knowledge is they'd come up that exact river and make straight for the presidential palace if they were gonna do their thing. Turns out it was just very enthusiastic airsoft players. Apparently you can just play it wherever in Taipei, there's not really rules about it? So people play in the riversides at night. Their kit was ridiculous. One guy had tracer pellets. They let us wear their night vision goggles and shoot trees. Great time.

by ljm 1y ago

crazygringo 1y ago

If it's private then it's up to the owner. And they may very well have decided that more customers want to take and share videos, than there are customers who are bothered by it. And nobody is talking about monetizing content here. There's no profit. If there were, that would be a different conversation obviously. But the post did not bring that up.

pavel_lishin 1y ago
> There is no profit. We don't know that.
- hedora 1y ago
  Also, the bar of “you have no privacy if you can’t figure out how the entity stealing your data is profiting off it” isn’t great. At the very least, these videos are being used to train models. That’s a good way to bypass the union contracts that prevent Hollywood from digitally cloning film extras.

insertchatbot 1y ago

And also, some people could suffer real damages. Imagine if someone is lying to their wife about what they do on the weekend or about who they've gone to a conference with. Or imagine if someone has found themselves with dangerous enemies who discover where they go, what they do and with whom. At the moment, these things are not the problem of the person taking the video

footy 1y ago
right. My younger sister was stalked by a crazy ex for years. According to some of the people here that would mean she had no right to participate in a regular activity.
- crazygringo 1y ago
  No. It means you get a restraining order if there's a threat and contact the police the moment they violate it. We already have laws for that type of thing. Preventing anyone ever possibly taking pictures where you could be in the background is not the answer.
  - footy 1y ago
    there's a difference between > Preventing anyone ever possibly taking pictures where you could be in the background is not the answer. and asking not to be recorded at a recurring event.
- pixl97 1y ago
  Since you're allergic to peanuts that means everybody should be banned from eating peanuts and we should stop growing them, right? While directly providing said stalker with information seems like a harmful, and likely prosecutable behavior, the indirect providing of information is not a burden the general public should bear for another parties already illegal actions.
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    > Since you're allergic to peanuts that means everybody should be banned from eating peanuts and we should stop growing them, right? My kid's school strictly bans peanut products due to at least one kid having a severe and potentially deadly allergy. It seems like a reasonable and necessary precautions to avoid harm or injury.
    - pixl97 1y ago

komali2 1y ago

> Airsoft but-actually-in-public would have people concerned about a terrorist attack, not being recorded for insta. I live in Taiwan. My friend and I were drinking beers by the river one night and decided to go on a late night bike ride, maybe 1am. We grabbed citybikes and tooled along the river, which in Taipei in many places is a nice bit of pavement next to massive mangroves and then the river itself. We were coming up on a brushy bit when a squad of completely kitted out soldiers came out of the bush with massive rifles, night vision goggles, full camo, geared to the nines. My buddy and I both nearly fell off our bikes and were immediately thinking the same thing: Oh fuck the PLA is here. Common knowledge is they'd come up that exact river and make straight for the presidential palace if they were gonna do their thing. Turns out it was just very enthusiastic airsoft players. Apparently you can just play it wherever in Taipei, there's not really rules about it? So people play in the riversides at night. Their kit was ridiculous. One guy had tracer pellets. They let us wear their night vision goggles and shoot trees. Great time.