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My kids are in elementary and middle school and there was an occasion where they were at a birthday party where an older sibling was live streaming the event.

My kids are in elementary and middle school and there was an occasion where they were at a birthday party where an older sibling was live streaming the event. Both my kids (and me) found it very off-putting, so there's some anecdata that at least some young kids still feel it's an invasion of privacy. Maybe not all is lost.

siva7 1y ago
There are lots of young people who have some conception and respect of privacy and there are people who haven't. That's not a generational thing.. It's just that those without awareness of boundaries have now all the tech that screams in their face to stream everything to the world without consent. I can assure you that still lots of young folks are annoyed by those people.
- RajT88 1y ago
  Agree. I went to a family gathering recently, and my wife's cousin was walking around live streaming. People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading live to the internet. The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
    > People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading love to the internet. Audio is different from video. This is technically illegal, as consent is explicitly required in the law for audio recording.
    - greenavocado 1y ago
      Most states in the United States allow one one-party consent for audio recordings.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
        They're not party to others' conversations.
        lotsofpulp 1y ago
        As long as someone is not hidden, or trying to be deceptive, then they would be considered party to the conversation. Someone walking around live streaming would become party to all the conversations.
      - jon-wood 1y ago
        And most states also allow you to leave a bar thirty seconds after your friend you arranged to meet there arrives, it would still be considered rude to do so and probably you wouldn’t be welcome in the future if you kept doing it.
        blackoil 1y ago
        You are free to quit the party, but host won't be arrested for recording and sharing video.
      - serial_dev 1y ago
        I get that for whistleblowers, journalists, investigators, ... I don't think it's relevant for a birthday party with children. If it's me, I'm leaving the party. If it's my children attending, I'm strongly recommending them to leave the party (or just leave with them, depending on their age). Live-streaming a birthday party of children is obnoxious behavior that should not be tolerated.
        sdoering 1y ago
        If it’s me, in Germany, I would instantly tell this person to stop filming and to delete any recordings. And if they streamed live to expect a letter from the (German equivalent of the) DA soon, as I would - as soon as back home - I would press charges and search damages. Because in German publishing images/recordings of an individual without consent violates basic constitutional rights. And that’s nothing to f** with. If minors were involved you’d be in a whole different can of soup even. So while I don’t advocate for violence - as others have hinted in this thread - a black eye could actually be the lesser negative outcome for such a person.
    - RajT88 1y ago
      Eve if legal, the guy was in the wrong.
    - bee_rider 1y ago
      Laws almost always vary by jurisdiction.
    - hdgvhicv 1y ago
      Which jurisdiction are you taking? Japan? Christmas Island? Cuba?
      - Izkata 1y ago
        11 states in the US have two-party-consent laws. IIRC GP is correct about recordings of private conversations in these states.
    - i_am_jl 1y ago
      Really? What jurisdiction has that rule? Are you sure you're not conflating simple audio recording with a recording of audio telecommunications?
    - GJim 1y ago
      What in gods name does the law have to do with it?
  - serallak 1y ago
    A friend that was going to deliver a child told us about a dad-to-be that was going around the maternity ward making videos ...
    - Freak_NL 1y ago
      That's a good recipe for getting a black eye. The mother-to-be tends to be pretty much confined to her immediate affairs, but the partner… (I'm sure everyone is different, but I've been there as the father-to-be, and I would have made a good effort of turning that live-stream into a live-colonoscopy.)
      - lsaferite 1y ago
        Considering the level of undress and temporary IDGAF of the moms in labor, filming anywhere near them is a good way to get injured.
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    >The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ. I am so sorry for your loss and I am out of words. Just, I just want to be with ya in silence for a while. I am sorry that you had to go through this. I am really speechless
    - pessimizer 1y ago
      Are you expressing overdramatic sympathy for the loss of a stranger's wife's cousin's mother? No wonder that cousin films and streams everything.
      - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
        I was definitely feeling something as I didn't think of the stranger's wife's cousin's mother? as dying but rather the stranger's wife dying and that cousin recording it. But even now, yes you may have proved your point but death is so fucking weird and not talked about and sometimes I just get speechless, like someone just left the earth, let that sink in... Honestly, I can somewhat both understand why he was live streaming now wanting more comments/everyone's final messages to go to her mother but at the same time, its definitely privacy invasive and might show their last moments and something of a behaviour I don't condone but I just don't know, now my opinion is mixed.
        RajT88 1y ago
        Yep - was my wife's cousin's mother who died. I didn't know the lady at all. I didn't even end up meeting the cousin, I heard about all this after the fact. My wife isn't broken up either - kind of distant family.
- igor47 1y ago
  We need content for ML! If you don't upload every moment of your life, you're not doing your part for humanity.
AlecSchueler 1y ago
My own anecdotal experience is that the generational gap is actually the inverse of what was described above. Younger people seem to be very much moree acutely aware of the dangers of publicity and much more guarded about what they do in public if it could potentially end up online.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  Everything has moved to private spaces now. Friend discord groups, private social media accounts, etc. The age of posting on Facebook under your real name with privacy settings public is long gone because of the numerous obvious risks. But just being seen in a small segment of a YouTube video with no name is a pretty minor risk.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - angiolillo 1y ago
    > just being seen in a small segment of a YouTube video with no name is a pretty minor risk It might become a slightly larger risk when image processing and face recognition get cheap enough that anyone can search to find every video/livestream/photo containing your face.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      Yeah, it just happened to a woman I know recently. She took part in some naked protests like 20 years ago and photographs of them went up on various sites like Flickr from a host of different photographers and no one ever thought about it. Recently she was targeted in a revenge porn incident by someone who had used facial recognition search engines to gather dozens of nude photographs of her before distributing them by name on porn sites.
      - scarface_74 1y ago
        You don’t need to find nude photos of anyone anymore if you want to do revenge porn. If you have any picture of someone there are “nudity sites” for years and years ago wasn’t there an open source one that was on GitHub? (please no one reply with the name - seriously - no need to give it any publicity on HN).

siva7 1y ago

There are lots of young people who have some conception and respect of privacy and there are people who haven't. That's not a generational thing.. It's just that those without awareness of boundaries have now all the tech that screams in their face to stream everything to the world without consent. I can assure you that still lots of young folks are annoyed by those people.

RajT88 1y ago
Agree. I went to a family gathering recently, and my wife's cousin was walking around live streaming. People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading live to the internet. The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
  > People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading love to the internet. Audio is different from video. This is technically illegal, as consent is explicitly required in the law for audio recording.
  - greenavocado 1y ago
    Most states in the United States allow one one-party consent for audio recordings.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
      They're not party to others' conversations.
      - lotsofpulp 1y ago
        As long as someone is not hidden, or trying to be deceptive, then they would be considered party to the conversation. Someone walking around live streaming would become party to all the conversations.
    - jon-wood 1y ago
      And most states also allow you to leave a bar thirty seconds after your friend you arranged to meet there arrives, it would still be considered rude to do so and probably you wouldn’t be welcome in the future if you kept doing it.
      - blackoil 1y ago
        You are free to quit the party, but host won't be arrested for recording and sharing video.
    - serial_dev 1y ago
      I get that for whistleblowers, journalists, investigators, ... I don't think it's relevant for a birthday party with children. If it's me, I'm leaving the party. If it's my children attending, I'm strongly recommending them to leave the party (or just leave with them, depending on their age). Live-streaming a birthday party of children is obnoxious behavior that should not be tolerated.
      - sdoering 1y ago
        If it’s me, in Germany, I would instantly tell this person to stop filming and to delete any recordings. And if they streamed live to expect a letter from the (German equivalent of the) DA soon, as I would - as soon as back home - I would press charges and search damages. Because in German publishing images/recordings of an individual without consent violates basic constitutional rights. And that’s nothing to f** with. If minors were involved you’d be in a whole different can of soup even. So while I don’t advocate for violence - as others have hinted in this thread - a black eye could actually be the lesser negative outcome for such a person.
  - RajT88 1y ago
    Eve if legal, the guy was in the wrong.
  - bee_rider 1y ago
    Laws almost always vary by jurisdiction.
  - hdgvhicv 1y ago
    Which jurisdiction are you taking? Japan? Christmas Island? Cuba?
    - Izkata 1y ago
      11 states in the US have two-party-consent laws. IIRC GP is correct about recordings of private conversations in these states.
  - i_am_jl 1y ago
    Really? What jurisdiction has that rule? Are you sure you're not conflating simple audio recording with a recording of audio telecommunications?
  - GJim 1y ago
    What in gods name does the law have to do with it?
- serallak 1y ago
  A friend that was going to deliver a child told us about a dad-to-be that was going around the maternity ward making videos ...
  - Freak_NL 1y ago
    That's a good recipe for getting a black eye. The mother-to-be tends to be pretty much confined to her immediate affairs, but the partner… (I'm sure everyone is different, but I've been there as the father-to-be, and I would have made a good effort of turning that live-stream into a live-colonoscopy.)
    - lsaferite 1y ago
      Considering the level of undress and temporary IDGAF of the moms in labor, filming anywhere near them is a good way to get injured.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  >The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ. I am so sorry for your loss and I am out of words. Just, I just want to be with ya in silence for a while. I am sorry that you had to go through this. I am really speechless
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    Are you expressing overdramatic sympathy for the loss of a stranger's wife's cousin's mother? No wonder that cousin films and streams everything.
    - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
      I was definitely feeling something as I didn't think of the stranger's wife's cousin's mother? as dying but rather the stranger's wife dying and that cousin recording it. But even now, yes you may have proved your point but death is so fucking weird and not talked about and sometimes I just get speechless, like someone just left the earth, let that sink in... Honestly, I can somewhat both understand why he was live streaming now wanting more comments/everyone's final messages to go to her mother but at the same time, its definitely privacy invasive and might show their last moments and something of a behaviour I don't condone but I just don't know, now my opinion is mixed.
      - RajT88 1y ago
        Yep - was my wife's cousin's mother who died. I didn't know the lady at all. I didn't even end up meeting the cousin, I heard about all this after the fact. My wife isn't broken up either - kind of distant family.
igor47 1y ago
We need content for ML! If you don't upload every moment of your life, you're not doing your part for humanity.

AlecSchueler 1y ago

My own anecdotal experience is that the generational gap is actually the inverse of what was described above. Younger people seem to be very much moree acutely aware of the dangers of publicity and much more guarded about what they do in public if it could potentially end up online.

Gigachad 1y ago
Everything has moved to private spaces now. Friend discord groups, private social media accounts, etc. The age of posting on Facebook under your real name with privacy settings public is long gone because of the numerous obvious risks. But just being seen in a small segment of a YouTube video with no name is a pretty minor risk.
- deleted 1y ago
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- angiolillo 1y ago
  > just being seen in a small segment of a YouTube video with no name is a pretty minor risk It might become a slightly larger risk when image processing and face recognition get cheap enough that anyone can search to find every video/livestream/photo containing your face.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    Yeah, it just happened to a woman I know recently. She took part in some naked protests like 20 years ago and photographs of them went up on various sites like Flickr from a host of different photographers and no one ever thought about it. Recently she was targeted in a revenge porn incident by someone who had used facial recognition search engines to gather dozens of nude photographs of her before distributing them by name on porn sites.
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      You don’t need to find nude photos of anyone anymore if you want to do revenge porn. If you have any picture of someone there are “nudity sites” for years and years ago wasn’t there an open source one that was on GitHub? (please no one reply with the name - seriously - no need to give it any publicity on HN).