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We use Nara to track our baby's food intake and sleep. A couple of months ago I noticed Little Snitch complaining about the app making new connections to malwa

by port11 1y ago

We use Nara to track our baby's food intake and sleep. A couple of months ago I noticed Little Snitch complaining about the app making new connections to malware domains. Thankfully I can run the app on macOS and noticed it. When confronted with how this violated their Privay Policy, they gave a condescending reply. When I contacted Apple about this new update to the app, they ignored my report. So… no, we're not safer on iOS. Perhaps the barrier to entry is a bit higher to discourage some low-hanging fruit, but Apple does very little for the 30% commission it takes.

pydry 1y ago
They mean safer from apps like NewPipe which threaten their margins by giving users their attention back.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  we must think of the shareholders!!! No, how can you! I want to give billionaires more profits that would most likely just be a number to them while selling myself for them, Noo. (satirical post)
- jackstraw42 1y ago
  Safer from apps that do insane but legal data collection is what I am worried about. Why would a foreign adversary need a hacking team when they can just buy what they need from an American company built to sell detailed personal information on Americans using shitty malware-riddled products?
- _blk 1y ago
  It's not like they're the only bullies in town (@bigG: try to remember "do no evil" and you were an actually cool tech company rather worth applying to, worth having on your resume). I paid for Prime Video to remove ads only to find that now they'll play skipable ads again at the start of a movie and this time I don't even have the option of paying again.. I'm not against big profits, and I'm definitely not in favor of more regulation to attempt to fix it but I am against mico-maximization of profit with obviously consumer-unfriendly behavior. The way to fix it, IMHO, is to start over with yet another small guy that comes in and does it right. Angel Studios is doing pretty good and although the content selection is much more limited, the overall vibe is great, feels safe to leave children around for more than 2 minutes (unlike youtube kids).
jackstraw42 1y ago
> Perhaps the barrier to entry is a bit higher to discourage some low-hanging fruit, but Apple does very little for the 30% commission it takes. As someone who is diligent about staying on top of these things, I thank you for sharing this because this is what I'm talking about: it is not clear at all to an average user who is trying to do task X with their phone (note that's *not* "do task X securely while protecting personal data"). I figured Apple didn't do a whole lot, but I still feel the policies must do something. Please do tell if you know specifics though. And I am very disappointed with all the near-literal shit that's flooded the iOS app store the last few years. Overall, my opinion about it all is that we need to take some time to think about everything we've learned and rebuild something new from the ground up. GrapheneOS seems promising.
- smaudet 1y ago
  > but I still feel the policies must do something That has been the problem with Apple, a lot of feeling inspired by nice UI design, and a lot of screw-you-over in the background (draconian dev policies, nonsense security requirements that make you less, not more, secure, and money grubbing that doesn't make the users any better off)... Maybe in a world with Steve Jobs, it could have been different, who knows. I don't get the sense that Tim Cook "gets" it.
  - oofbey 1y ago
    Can you give examples of nonsense security policies that make you less secure? I’ve always thought Apple’s security policies have been exemplary, forward thinking, and balanced.
  - jackstraw42 1y ago
    I have lost faith in Apple as a current best choice because of the things you say. Maybe it's dumb for me to think of it this way, but I was just expressing that I'm happier overall with how Apple handled it while I've had an iPhone. I felt like I was in better hands, even though I know just about all their shortcomings that have been made public. Still, I don't think there was a better choice for the general average Joe than an iOS device. They have kept my parents safe from identity theft, any malware (that I know of), stolen credit cards, etc. And I think they deserve some (intangible, feelings-based) credit for that. This morning I ordered a Pixel phone after realizing they are available in my price range after all (thanks to this discussion, specifically one of the few who didn't try to argue with me) so GrapheneOS is what I would personally recommend if anyone was thinking I was trying to say "iOS is better, prove me wrong". I was more looking for others to share similar thoughts, not attempt to shut me down, but such is life.
crtasm 1y ago
:( Would you be willing to share Nara's full reply?
- port11 1y ago
  Oh, I remembered it wrong. It's just an automatic reply. The condescending one was to my suggestion to use median values instead of averages.

by port11 1y ago

pydry 1y ago

They mean safer from apps like NewPipe which threaten their margins by giving users their attention back.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
we must think of the shareholders!!! No, how can you! I want to give billionaires more profits that would most likely just be a number to them while selling myself for them, Noo. (satirical post)
jackstraw42 1y ago
Safer from apps that do insane but legal data collection is what I am worried about. Why would a foreign adversary need a hacking team when they can just buy what they need from an American company built to sell detailed personal information on Americans using shitty malware-riddled products?
_blk 1y ago
It's not like they're the only bullies in town (@bigG: try to remember "do no evil" and you were an actually cool tech company rather worth applying to, worth having on your resume). I paid for Prime Video to remove ads only to find that now they'll play skipable ads again at the start of a movie and this time I don't even have the option of paying again.. I'm not against big profits, and I'm definitely not in favor of more regulation to attempt to fix it but I am against mico-maximization of profit with obviously consumer-unfriendly behavior. The way to fix it, IMHO, is to start over with yet another small guy that comes in and does it right. Angel Studios is doing pretty good and although the content selection is much more limited, the overall vibe is great, feels safe to leave children around for more than 2 minutes (unlike youtube kids).

jackstraw42 1y ago

> Perhaps the barrier to entry is a bit higher to discourage some low-hanging fruit, but Apple does very little for the 30% commission it takes. As someone who is diligent about staying on top of these things, I thank you for sharing this because this is what I'm talking about: it is not clear at all to an average user who is trying to do task X with their phone (note that's *not* "do task X securely while protecting personal data"). I figured Apple didn't do a whole lot, but I still feel the policies must do something. Please do tell if you know specifics though. And I am very disappointed with all the near-literal shit that's flooded the iOS app store the last few years. Overall, my opinion about it all is that we need to take some time to think about everything we've learned and rebuild something new from the ground up. GrapheneOS seems promising.

smaudet 1y ago
> but I still feel the policies must do something That has been the problem with Apple, a lot of feeling inspired by nice UI design, and a lot of screw-you-over in the background (draconian dev policies, nonsense security requirements that make you less, not more, secure, and money grubbing that doesn't make the users any better off)... Maybe in a world with Steve Jobs, it could have been different, who knows. I don't get the sense that Tim Cook "gets" it.
- oofbey 1y ago
  Can you give examples of nonsense security policies that make you less secure? I’ve always thought Apple’s security policies have been exemplary, forward thinking, and balanced.
- jackstraw42 1y ago
  I have lost faith in Apple as a current best choice because of the things you say. Maybe it's dumb for me to think of it this way, but I was just expressing that I'm happier overall with how Apple handled it while I've had an iPhone. I felt like I was in better hands, even though I know just about all their shortcomings that have been made public. Still, I don't think there was a better choice for the general average Joe than an iOS device. They have kept my parents safe from identity theft, any malware (that I know of), stolen credit cards, etc. And I think they deserve some (intangible, feelings-based) credit for that. This morning I ordered a Pixel phone after realizing they are available in my price range after all (thanks to this discussion, specifically one of the few who didn't try to argue with me) so GrapheneOS is what I would personally recommend if anyone was thinking I was trying to say "iOS is better, prove me wrong". I was more looking for others to share similar thoughts, not attempt to shut me down, but such is life.

crtasm 1y ago

:( Would you be willing to share Nara's full reply?

port11 1y ago
Oh, I remembered it wrong. It's just an automatic reply. The condescending one was to my suggestion to use median values instead of averages.