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by inertia science is done and will be done in English. Notwithstanding the Chinese/Japanese/Korean scientific journals - anything "big" gets translated. With L

by geokon 1y ago

by inertia science is done and will be done in English. Notwithstanding the Chinese/Japanese/Korean scientific journals - anything "big" gets translated. With LLMs the barrier for researchers to write in English is reduced In the programming sphere on the other hand.. I get the impression there is a giant OSS Chinese community that doesn't do anything in English.. My Chinese is too crappy to follow technical topics - so it's possible my impressions are wrong

numpad0 1y ago
> anything "big" gets translated. > With LLMs the barrier for researchers to write in English is reduced Anything "big" gets translated to English. Not from English. With LLMs the barrier for researchers to read in English is reduced. Not to write. Researchers in China has no motivations to think or publish in English, and so they won't. It has always been that way, I think?
- geokon 1y ago
  Not in my experience - but maybe it depends on the field. Publishing for major international journals is good for your career everywhere. Publishing for a small regional journal is the fall-back option. > Anything "big" gets translated to English. Do you have any specific examples of noteworthy recent research that was not originally published in English? I've honestly never come across it. (this used to be a thing a million years ago.. Soviet publications and really old stuff in German)
  - numpad0 1y ago
    I'm not sure if your observations and my arguments contradict. My point is, lots of science happen in local languages and gets translated to English, rarely from English. English is the lingua franca as in LANG=C is always the fallback, not as in en-US.UTF8 is the interface default. Germans discovered chemical formulas in German, Soviets did metallurgy in Russian. It's consistent that guys in China discuss AI and OSS bugs in Chinese. They support fallback modes and exported data is often converted to standard formats for the best exposure, but their internal formats are not always in English. No, I don't have any examples to show, I just think "English is lingua franca of science" types of statement is misleading and create false impressions that the original researches always happen in English, not just the data exchange parts.
    - geokon 1y ago
      The original post was asking if he needs Chinese to "follow these Chinese scientific innovations". That would pretty much entail reading publications from Chinese scientists - which for the most part will be in English. > It's consistent that guys in China discuss AI and OSS bugs in Chinese. So if they internally at the lab/office talk in Cantonese or whatever seems irrelevant. If you want to work with Chinese researchers, then it's likely helpful to learn Chinese. But that wasn't the question > Germans discovered chemical formulas in German, Soviets did metallurgy in Russian. They published in German and Russian. Now-a-days they do not
naveen99 1y ago
Most code is write only , even in English.

by geokon 1y ago

numpad0 1y ago

> anything "big" gets translated. > With LLMs the barrier for researchers to write in English is reduced Anything "big" gets translated to English. Not from English. With LLMs the barrier for researchers to read in English is reduced. Not to write. Researchers in China has no motivations to think or publish in English, and so they won't. It has always been that way, I think?

geokon 1y ago
Not in my experience - but maybe it depends on the field. Publishing for major international journals is good for your career everywhere. Publishing for a small regional journal is the fall-back option. > Anything "big" gets translated to English. Do you have any specific examples of noteworthy recent research that was not originally published in English? I've honestly never come across it. (this used to be a thing a million years ago.. Soviet publications and really old stuff in German)
- numpad0 1y ago
  I'm not sure if your observations and my arguments contradict. My point is, lots of science happen in local languages and gets translated to English, rarely from English. English is the lingua franca as in LANG=C is always the fallback, not as in en-US.UTF8 is the interface default. Germans discovered chemical formulas in German, Soviets did metallurgy in Russian. It's consistent that guys in China discuss AI and OSS bugs in Chinese. They support fallback modes and exported data is often converted to standard formats for the best exposure, but their internal formats are not always in English. No, I don't have any examples to show, I just think "English is lingua franca of science" types of statement is misleading and create false impressions that the original researches always happen in English, not just the data exchange parts.
  - geokon 1y ago
    The original post was asking if he needs Chinese to "follow these Chinese scientific innovations". That would pretty much entail reading publications from Chinese scientists - which for the most part will be in English. > It's consistent that guys in China discuss AI and OSS bugs in Chinese. So if they internally at the lab/office talk in Cantonese or whatever seems irrelevant. If you want to work with Chinese researchers, then it's likely helpful to learn Chinese. But that wasn't the question > Germans discovered chemical formulas in German, Soviets did metallurgy in Russian. They published in German and Russian. Now-a-days they do not

naveen99 1y ago

Most code is write only , even in English.