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Some fairly unusual (compared to most of Christianity practiced globally) Biblical interpretations widely popularized in the past 100 years have a lot to do wit

Some fairly unusual (compared to most of Christianity practiced globally) Biblical interpretations widely popularized in the past 100 years have a lot to do with it in the US. HN is typically more coming from a libertarian-anti-tracking bent but the larger popular US opposition to standardized federal IDs is rooted in "mark of the beast" stuff.

QQ00 1y ago
curious what mark of the beast has to do with a federal ID? I always thought the opposition majority because it's not something in the constitution to be a centralized by the federal government and it was left for the state to handle.
- ls612 1y ago
  I think RFID chips were what was actually being opposed by these religious fundamentalists but idk why they saw that as a satanic mark.
- majormajor 1y ago
  Just google "is real ID the mark of the beast" or "is social security number the mark of the beast" like I did above. The premillenial dispensationalism theory is widespread in southern evangelical churches in the US, with big sales of associated media. The association is "verse says a mark will be required and a number of the beast is mentioned" -> "these are numbers assigned by the government required for commerce" -> "this is the mark." The language of the apocalopytic verses is flowery enough that people pick and choose which parts they take literally, so for a while it wasn't seen as necessarily an injection (or you could also believe that eventually you'd have to get a SSN tattoo, say).
hn-ifs 1y ago
Can you elaborate? What does IDs have to do with religion/Christianity?
- pheggs 1y ago
  Unfortunately they also passed a law for age checks in order "to protect children", which is supposed to block porn unless you show your E-ID. While a referendum was initialized it sadly didn't gain enough media attention to actually make it to a vote.
- majormajor 1y ago
  https://www.dailyjournal.com/articles/381327-cash-for-christians-avoiding-the-mark-of-the-beast https://www.dailyjournal.com/articles/381327-cash-for-christ... https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/07/16/social-security-number-may-be-mark-of-the-beast-but-that-will-not-save-your-job/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/07/16/social-... https://www.faithfamilyfit.org/post/is-the-real-id-act-a-gateway-to-the-mark-of-the-beast-a-christian-take-on-digital-control https://www.faithfamilyfit.org/post/is-the-real-id-act-a-gat... Easy to google for more, from varying levels of fringy-looking websites, but the "numerical ID == mark of the beast" fear is common evangelical American doctrine of the same source that saw these books sell 65 million copies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind - they went digital with an injected chip, which is one of the things the Covid-19 vaccine sparked echoes of

QQ00 1y ago

curious what mark of the beast has to do with a federal ID? I always thought the opposition majority because it's not something in the constitution to be a centralized by the federal government and it was left for the state to handle.

ls612 1y ago
I think RFID chips were what was actually being opposed by these religious fundamentalists but idk why they saw that as a satanic mark.
majormajor 1y ago
Just google "is real ID the mark of the beast" or "is social security number the mark of the beast" like I did above. The premillenial dispensationalism theory is widespread in southern evangelical churches in the US, with big sales of associated media. The association is "verse says a mark will be required and a number of the beast is mentioned" -> "these are numbers assigned by the government required for commerce" -> "this is the mark." The language of the apocalopytic verses is flowery enough that people pick and choose which parts they take literally, so for a while it wasn't seen as necessarily an injection (or you could also believe that eventually you'd have to get a SSN tattoo, say).

hn-ifs 1y ago

Can you elaborate? What does IDs have to do with religion/Christianity?

pheggs 1y ago
Unfortunately they also passed a law for age checks in order "to protect children", which is supposed to block porn unless you show your E-ID. While a referendum was initialized it sadly didn't gain enough media attention to actually make it to a vote.
majormajor 1y ago
https://www.dailyjournal.com/articles/381327-cash-for-christians-avoiding-the-mark-of-the-beast https://www.dailyjournal.com/articles/381327-cash-for-christ... https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/07/16/social-security-number-may-be-mark-of-the-beast-but-that-will-not-save-your-job/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/07/16/social-... https://www.faithfamilyfit.org/post/is-the-real-id-act-a-gateway-to-the-mark-of-the-beast-a-christian-take-on-digital-control https://www.faithfamilyfit.org/post/is-the-real-id-act-a-gat... Easy to google for more, from varying levels of fringy-looking websites, but the "numerical ID == mark of the beast" fear is common evangelical American doctrine of the same source that saw these books sell 65 million copies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind - they went digital with an injected chip, which is one of the things the Covid-19 vaccine sparked echoes of