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Especially interesting when viewed in the context of recent patent disputes in the tech world. To hear Teller talk and to hear his performances described convey

by robmil 14y ago

Especially interesting when viewed in the context of recent patent disputes in the tech world. To hear Teller talk and to hear his performances described conveys that ethereal, intangible quality that "the real thing" has and that knockoffs generally fail to capture — a quality that seems instinctively to be deserving of protection.

ajross 14y ago
If the "knockoffs" can't capture it, why does it need protection? The logic doesn't work there. You could just as easily defend the cynical interpretation that Teller is looking to "defend" (via the monopoly status of his tricks) his quite substantial revenue stream. That doesn't seem so deserving of protection to me.
- DigitalJack 14y ago
  My take on the article was that the fight is against taking something beautiful and magical and making it pedestrian through unartful performance.
  - AndyNemmity 14y ago
    Even if the performance was artful he'd be against it, so although that is relevant in the current case, it's not actually meaningful.
- robmil 14y ago
  The argument (which I'm by no means seeking to make) would presumably be that knockoffs don't necessarily have to capture the same spirit as the original in order to devalue the original — and, indeed, the very fact that they don't capture the spirit of the original is what makes their devaluing influence most powerful.
  - lmm 14y ago
    I feel there's a parallel with music here. Does hearing a great song croaked out by a hack at a wedding devalue the original? Perhaps. But for society it's worth it overall; so many bands get their start doing other people's material. In fact many musicians are only able to keep making music because of a "day job" in a cover band. Perhaps magic tricks should have the same thing: an automatic license for "covers", where if you want to perform someone else's trick you pay a standardized, small fee to the original inventor.

by robmil 14y ago

ajross 14y ago

If the "knockoffs" can't capture it, why does it need protection? The logic doesn't work there. You could just as easily defend the cynical interpretation that Teller is looking to "defend" (via the monopoly status of his tricks) his quite substantial revenue stream. That doesn't seem so deserving of protection to me.

DigitalJack 14y ago
My take on the article was that the fight is against taking something beautiful and magical and making it pedestrian through unartful performance.
- AndyNemmity 14y ago
  Even if the performance was artful he'd be against it, so although that is relevant in the current case, it's not actually meaningful.
robmil 14y ago
The argument (which I'm by no means seeking to make) would presumably be that knockoffs don't necessarily have to capture the same spirit as the original in order to devalue the original — and, indeed, the very fact that they don't capture the spirit of the original is what makes their devaluing influence most powerful.
- lmm 14y ago
  I feel there's a parallel with music here. Does hearing a great song croaked out by a hack at a wedding devalue the original? Perhaps. But for society it's worth it overall; so many bands get their start doing other people's material. In fact many musicians are only able to keep making music because of a "day job" in a cover band. Perhaps magic tricks should have the same thing: an automatic license for "covers", where if you want to perform someone else's trick you pay a standardized, small fee to the original inventor.