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Nope, China is run by the Chinese Communist Party, which itself is run by Xi. That's it. Just look at Jack Ma for a clear example that China is not run by engin

by elteto 1y ago

Nope, China is run by the Chinese Communist Party, which itself is run by Xi. That's it. Just look at Jack Ma for a clear example that China is not run by engineers or tech people.

tern 1y ago
As far as I know, this isn't true. Many members of the CCP have engineering degrees. A relevant podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1TeeIG6Uaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1TeeIG6Uaw
- elteto 1y ago
  What exactly isn't true? That Xi doesn't control the CCP? And presumably they also have doctors and even lawyers in the CCP! Come to think of it, I wonder if China is not actually run by lawyers as well...
  - canadiantim 1y ago
    My understanding is that Xi’s control actually slipping and it isn’t complete control like a standard dictator
    - hermitcrab 1y ago
      I thought he had purged his opposition under the cover of anti-corruption drives?
      - canadiantim 1y ago
        He did yes but more recently seems like there’s been a coup behind the scenes and Xi is more of a figurehead. See: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-eyes-beijings-annual-reshuffle-military-chiefs-amid-signs-xis-waning-power https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-eyes-beijings-ann...
        hermitcrab 1y ago
        Interesting. I hope that is good news for Taiwan.
  - potatototoo99 1y ago
    Xi is a chemical engineer.
    - wqugugqhugqhuh 1y ago
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chvid 1y ago
Alibaba being told to drop their fintech ventures and instead focus on deeptech (semiconductors and ai) is one of the clearest examples of China’s leadership of engineers setting priorities.
- elteto 1y ago
  That is purely driven by national security priorities, I mean, _clearly_. The engineering is just how you work towards meeting those priorities. If it had been making candy or melting ice then you can bet that's what they were going to focus on.
metalman 1y ago
look into the nitty gritty of the cultural revolution, and it's very specific focus on technology jack ma got a modern day "re-education" tailored to his specific circumstsnces, but as always in these situations the offer is "lead? or gold? your choice!"
- hermitcrab 1y ago
  >look into the nitty gritty of the cultural revolution, and it's very specific focus on technology As I understand it, the cultural revolution was mainly about young people running amok and victimizing teachers and authority figures. All orchestrated by Mao so he could cling to power. What did it have to do with technology?
  - hermitcrab 1y ago
    Perhaps you meant the 'great leap forward'?
- pessimizer 1y ago
  Could you please update your references? China has been run by Mao's enemies for a very long time (likely longer than you've been alive), and the Cultural Revolution was a desperate ploy to consolidate power when the current way of Chinese thinking was growing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin%2C_Criticize_Confucius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin%2C_Criticize_Con... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_roader https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_roader
_4ti6 1y ago
Yeah I think the better metaphor is China is run by one person, and America is run by a set of rich people and rich companies pursuing various profit and pet interests.
- elteto 1y ago
  I think that is a good starting point.
  - lm28469 1y ago
    A good starting point would be to read about the organization of the ccp, but yeah let's say your very simplistic take that fits in a single sentence surely encompass everything we need to know. I'd even go further and simplify it even more: "China bad"
    - elteto 1y ago
      Well, definitely not "China bad" but absolutely "CCP bad". That's not even up for discussion.
- tokioyoyo 1y ago
  That is a very naive way of looking at things. There’s Politburo of 7, and even if we ignore other high rankings, provinces have huge amount of control over the way they’re ran. There are like 1.4B people in the country, it’s kinda funny to imagine that everyone just works and acts the same way.
SilverElfin 1y ago
But the CCP does promote based on merit and accomplishment for the most part.
vitorgrs 1y ago
So, you are saying China is run by a chemical engineer? Xi studied that at Tsinghua University.
metabagel 1y ago
Nailed it on the head. China is a dictatorship.

by elteto 1y ago

Nope, China is run by the Chinese Communist Party, which itself is run by Xi. That's it. Just look at Jack Ma for a clear example that China is not run by engineers or tech people.

tern 1y ago

As far as I know, this isn't true. Many members of the CCP have engineering degrees. A relevant podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1TeeIG6Uaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1TeeIG6Uaw

elteto 1y ago
What exactly isn't true? That Xi doesn't control the CCP? And presumably they also have doctors and even lawyers in the CCP! Come to think of it, I wonder if China is not actually run by lawyers as well...
- canadiantim 1y ago
  My understanding is that Xi’s control actually slipping and it isn’t complete control like a standard dictator
  - hermitcrab 1y ago
    I thought he had purged his opposition under the cover of anti-corruption drives?
    - canadiantim 1y ago
      He did yes but more recently seems like there’s been a coup behind the scenes and Xi is more of a figurehead. See: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-eyes-beijings-annual-reshuffle-military-chiefs-amid-signs-xis-waning-power https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-eyes-beijings-ann...
      - hermitcrab 1y ago
        Interesting. I hope that is good news for Taiwan.
- potatototoo99 1y ago
  Xi is a chemical engineer.
  - wqugugqhugqhuh 1y ago
    [dead]

chvid 1y ago

Alibaba being told to drop their fintech ventures and instead focus on deeptech (semiconductors and ai) is one of the clearest examples of China’s leadership of engineers setting priorities.

elteto 1y ago
That is purely driven by national security priorities, I mean, _clearly_. The engineering is just how you work towards meeting those priorities. If it had been making candy or melting ice then you can bet that's what they were going to focus on.

metalman 1y ago

look into the nitty gritty of the cultural revolution, and it's very specific focus on technology jack ma got a modern day "re-education" tailored to his specific circumstsnces, but as always in these situations the offer is "lead? or gold? your choice!"

hermitcrab 1y ago
>look into the nitty gritty of the cultural revolution, and it's very specific focus on technology As I understand it, the cultural revolution was mainly about young people running amok and victimizing teachers and authority figures. All orchestrated by Mao so he could cling to power. What did it have to do with technology?
- hermitcrab 1y ago
  Perhaps you meant the 'great leap forward'?
pessimizer 1y ago
Could you please update your references? China has been run by Mao's enemies for a very long time (likely longer than you've been alive), and the Cultural Revolution was a desperate ploy to consolidate power when the current way of Chinese thinking was growing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin%2C_Criticize_Confucius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin%2C_Criticize_Con... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_roader https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_roader

_4ti6 1y ago

Yeah I think the better metaphor is China is run by one person, and America is run by a set of rich people and rich companies pursuing various profit and pet interests.

elteto 1y ago
I think that is a good starting point.
- lm28469 1y ago
  A good starting point would be to read about the organization of the ccp, but yeah let's say your very simplistic take that fits in a single sentence surely encompass everything we need to know. I'd even go further and simplify it even more: "China bad"
  - elteto 1y ago
    Well, definitely not "China bad" but absolutely "CCP bad". That's not even up for discussion.
tokioyoyo 1y ago
That is a very naive way of looking at things. There’s Politburo of 7, and even if we ignore other high rankings, provinces have huge amount of control over the way they’re ran. There are like 1.4B people in the country, it’s kinda funny to imagine that everyone just works and acts the same way.

SilverElfin 1y ago

But the CCP does promote based on merit and accomplishment for the most part.

vitorgrs 1y ago

So, you are saying China is run by a chemical engineer? Xi studied that at Tsinghua University.

metabagel 1y ago

Nailed it on the head. China is a dictatorship.