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Europeans would "survive", but end up with crappier phones. There's a reason why nobody buys nokia anymore.

by gruez 1y ago

aaa_aaa 1y ago
Pixel is superior.
ranger_danger 1y ago
Because it was sold to Microsoft whose only strategy was to kill it off?
- gruez 1y ago
  And why was it sold off? Winners don't tend to get offloaded to other companies.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    Not only did Apple and Google divebomb their sales, but Nokia's own hardware was plagued with bugs and comparatively inadequate features, like small displays and slow CPUs. MS would later re-sell Nokia to HMD in 2016, who still release some feature-phones, including ones running an "S30+" OS that has nothing to do with Symbian.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      I have one of these running KaiOS and it works surprisingly well. It also seems to be immune to battery life degradation (it works just as well as it did when I got it) and in general has been rock solid. I think in the almost six years that I've had it, it has spontaneously rebooted once and other than that it just works. It is simple, has buttons (no touch screen), has an earphone jack and is so solid you can drop it and the chance is larger that you damage the thing it lands on that that you damage the phone. It still looks like new in spite of being in my pocket together with keys and other stuff. I'd buy another in a heartbeat if this one ever dies but I suspect it will just keep on working.
jacquesm 1y ago
Funny, I have an android phone because I need it for one particular project but otherwise my Nokia N-800 serves me very well. It is entirely distraction free, has insane battery life (easily more than a week even when used intensively) and it can serve as a WiFi access point for my laptop in case I need to use the internet while on the go. It is also indestructible, and that's one reason why I don't buy a new phone every year or two, the one I have 'just works' and has done so for years. I got it just before COVID hit so it's probably close to 6 years old now.
- gruez 1y ago
  >but otherwise my Nokia N-800 serves me very well I'm nowhere near a 2 year upgrade cycle but the fact that you think a 18 year old phone serves you "very well", and therefore Nokia phones aren't crappy shows how out of touch you are. There's zero chance the average person would think the same.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    The only thing that you demonstrate here is a complete lack of reading comprehension as well as the inability to do basic arithmetic.
    - gruez 1y ago
      >complete lack of reading comprehension as well as the inability to do basic arithmetic. Enlighten me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800
      - general1465 1y ago
        lack of updates is a feature not a bug. How many times have you uploaded new firmware into your washing machine? I personally never have, it is more than 10 years old and still washing laundry.
      - nothrabannosir 1y ago
rjsw 1y ago
I have a Nokia, works fine.
perching_aix 1y ago
Crappier being an opinion of course. As for what people are buying and not buying, according to statcounter [0], the smartphone market in the EU is a third Apple, a third Samsung, and then the final third is a scattershot of other Android devices, primarily Xiaomi. This is in contrast with a 57.27% foothold in the US. It's a different world. To put it into perhaps an even more grappling perspective, that whole green bubble vs blue bubble thing? I've first heard of it only just a few years ago from Marques Brownlee on YouTube. Never encountered it in real life prior or since. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe
- gruez 1y ago
  >Crappier being an opinion of course. Funny you're invoking that when the fact that someone chose to buy apple at all means they thought it was the best option, according to their opinion. By banning apple you're necessarily making those people buy a crappier phone.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    Right, because people totally buy things based on the merits of brands, not based on e.g. what they're used to buying or were recommended... You do realize by the way that this would mean the majority of people here then consider iphones the crappier option by your logic?
    - gruez 1y ago
      >You do realize by the way that this would mean the majority of people here then consider iphones the crappier option by your logic? And that's fine. Most people don't but Porches or Subarus. That doesn't mean they're "crappier"
      - LexiMax 1y ago
        It's clear from your posting, here and elsewhere in this comments thread, that you believe that the EU should back off of the pressure on Apple. What is driving your motivated reasoning? Why are you so invested in the ability for Apple to continue to have the ability to keep their app store locked down? How do you benefit from this decision?
singpolyma3 1y ago
The reason is that Nokia sold their phone division so they don't make phones anymore?
StopDisinfo910 1y ago
Asian brands dominate the phone market in Europe with phones spanning the whole gamut of quality and flagships which are in every way comparable if not superior to what Apple offers. Honestly even if Google somehow decided to stop selling Android to Europe, something which seems extremely unlikely, it would swiftly be replaced by Chinese alternatives with no obvious loss of functionality. Apple has zero leverage with the "we will stop selling" strategy. It’s just there so they look less pathetic when it comes to what they are actually doing: bribing Trump so he intervenes for them. We really have come a long way from the "Think different" company.
- general1465 1y ago
  > Honestly even if Google somehow decided to stop selling Android to Europe, something which seems extremely unlikely, it would swiftly be replaced by Chinese alternatives with no obvious loss of functionality. Exactly, it would be a brutal self own of Apple and Google and losing control over whole European market due to refusing to implement mild regulations. Pure bluff on Apple's and Google's side.

Europeans would "survive", but end up with crappier phones. There's a reason why nobody buys nokia anymore.

by gruez 1y ago

Europeans would "survive", but end up with crappier phones. There's a reason why nobody buys nokia anymore.

aaa_aaa 1y ago

Pixel is superior.

ranger_danger 1y ago

Because it was sold to Microsoft whose only strategy was to kill it off?

gruez 1y ago
And why was it sold off? Winners don't tend to get offloaded to other companies.
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  Not only did Apple and Google divebomb their sales, but Nokia's own hardware was plagued with bugs and comparatively inadequate features, like small displays and slow CPUs. MS would later re-sell Nokia to HMD in 2016, who still release some feature-phones, including ones running an "S30+" OS that has nothing to do with Symbian.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    I have one of these running KaiOS and it works surprisingly well. It also seems to be immune to battery life degradation (it works just as well as it did when I got it) and in general has been rock solid. I think in the almost six years that I've had it, it has spontaneously rebooted once and other than that it just works. It is simple, has buttons (no touch screen), has an earphone jack and is so solid you can drop it and the chance is larger that you damage the thing it lands on that that you damage the phone. It still looks like new in spite of being in my pocket together with keys and other stuff. I'd buy another in a heartbeat if this one ever dies but I suspect it will just keep on working.

jacquesm 1y ago

Funny, I have an android phone because I need it for one particular project but otherwise my Nokia N-800 serves me very well. It is entirely distraction free, has insane battery life (easily more than a week even when used intensively) and it can serve as a WiFi access point for my laptop in case I need to use the internet while on the go. It is also indestructible, and that's one reason why I don't buy a new phone every year or two, the one I have 'just works' and has done so for years. I got it just before COVID hit so it's probably close to 6 years old now.

gruez 1y ago
>but otherwise my Nokia N-800 serves me very well I'm nowhere near a 2 year upgrade cycle but the fact that you think a 18 year old phone serves you "very well", and therefore Nokia phones aren't crappy shows how out of touch you are. There's zero chance the average person would think the same.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  The only thing that you demonstrate here is a complete lack of reading comprehension as well as the inability to do basic arithmetic.
  - gruez 1y ago
    >complete lack of reading comprehension as well as the inability to do basic arithmetic. Enlighten me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800
    - general1465 1y ago
      lack of updates is a feature not a bug. How many times have you uploaded new firmware into your washing machine? I personally never have, it is more than 10 years old and still washing laundry.
    - nothrabannosir 1y ago

rjsw 1y ago

I have a Nokia, works fine.

perching_aix 1y ago

Crappier being an opinion of course. As for what people are buying and not buying, according to statcounter [0], the smartphone market in the EU is a third Apple, a third Samsung, and then the final third is a scattershot of other Android devices, primarily Xiaomi. This is in contrast with a 57.27% foothold in the US. It's a different world. To put it into perhaps an even more grappling perspective, that whole green bubble vs blue bubble thing? I've first heard of it only just a few years ago from Marques Brownlee on YouTube. Never encountered it in real life prior or since. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe

gruez 1y ago
>Crappier being an opinion of course. Funny you're invoking that when the fact that someone chose to buy apple at all means they thought it was the best option, according to their opinion. By banning apple you're necessarily making those people buy a crappier phone.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  Right, because people totally buy things based on the merits of brands, not based on e.g. what they're used to buying or were recommended... You do realize by the way that this would mean the majority of people here then consider iphones the crappier option by your logic?
  - gruez 1y ago
    >You do realize by the way that this would mean the majority of people here then consider iphones the crappier option by your logic? And that's fine. Most people don't but Porches or Subarus. That doesn't mean they're "crappier"
    - LexiMax 1y ago
      It's clear from your posting, here and elsewhere in this comments thread, that you believe that the EU should back off of the pressure on Apple. What is driving your motivated reasoning? Why are you so invested in the ability for Apple to continue to have the ability to keep their app store locked down? How do you benefit from this decision?

singpolyma3 1y ago

The reason is that Nokia sold their phone division so they don't make phones anymore?

StopDisinfo910 1y ago

Asian brands dominate the phone market in Europe with phones spanning the whole gamut of quality and flagships which are in every way comparable if not superior to what Apple offers. Honestly even if Google somehow decided to stop selling Android to Europe, something which seems extremely unlikely, it would swiftly be replaced by Chinese alternatives with no obvious loss of functionality. Apple has zero leverage with the "we will stop selling" strategy. It’s just there so they look less pathetic when it comes to what they are actually doing: bribing Trump so he intervenes for them. We really have come a long way from the "Think different" company.

general1465 1y ago
> Honestly even if Google somehow decided to stop selling Android to Europe, something which seems extremely unlikely, it would swiftly be replaced by Chinese alternatives with no obvious loss of functionality. Exactly, it would be a brutal self own of Apple and Google and losing control over whole European market due to refusing to implement mild regulations. Pure bluff on Apple's and Google's side.