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> Perhaps you should stop listening to propaganda from the ubranists I know this site is US-centric but excuse me if I don't take anti-public-transport propaga

> Perhaps you should stop listening to propaganda from the ubranists I know this site is US-centric but excuse me if I don't take anti-public-transport propaganda at face value. I've lived in Europe all of my life and I've been to major US cities on the west coast so I've seen great public transport as well as the car-centric culture with my own eyes. > Yep. That's how bad buses are. No, that claim is ridiculous and obviously incorrect - It's laughable, really. Care to [try to] substantiate it? > One bus does the same amount of road damage as 1000-5000 cars. Sure, buses do cause more road damage than personal vehicles, but that's hardly a significant factor. Care to list all of the externalities for personal cars? Does parking build and maintain itself? How about all of the opportunity cost for space occupied by parked cars? Injuries caused by impaired drivers? > A well-designed city like Houston will have enough road space so that buses are do not affect the traffic disproportionately. But then it means that such a city does not _need_ buses. I have no idea what you meant by this. That doesn't logically follow.

cyberax 1y ago
> I've lived in Europe all of my life and I've been to major US cities on the west coast so I've seen great public transport as well as the car-centric culture with my own eyes. So you're telling me that you've never seen a well-run people-oriented city like Houston? And I grew up in Europe. I got my driving license around the age of 25, and my first car at 29. > No, that claim is ridiculous and obviously incorrect - It's laughable, really. Care to [try to] substantiate it? See? > Care to list all of the externalities for personal cars? Does parking build and maintain itself? How about all of the opportunity cost for space occupied by parked cars? Injuries caused by impaired drivers? Care to list all the externalities of buses? Do bus drivers spring out of sea foam and dissolve after the shift? How about all of the opportunity cost for people who can't make commutes that are forbidden by the bus network? The entire human lifetimes wasted every day while waiting for buses? > Injuries caused by impaired drivers? Self-driving solved it? > I have no idea what you meant by this. That doesn't logically follow. If buses don't affect your traffic flow, then you have enough road space so that residents can just use cars.

cyberax 1y ago

> I've lived in Europe all of my life and I've been to major US cities on the west coast so I've seen great public transport as well as the car-centric culture with my own eyes. So you're telling me that you've never seen a well-run people-oriented city like Houston? And I grew up in Europe. I got my driving license around the age of 25, and my first car at 29. > No, that claim is ridiculous and obviously incorrect - It's laughable, really. Care to [try to] substantiate it? See? > Care to list all of the externalities for personal cars? Does parking build and maintain itself? How about all of the opportunity cost for space occupied by parked cars? Injuries caused by impaired drivers? Care to list all the externalities of buses? Do bus drivers spring out of sea foam and dissolve after the shift? How about all of the opportunity cost for people who can't make commutes that are forbidden by the bus network? The entire human lifetimes wasted every day while waiting for buses? > Injuries caused by impaired drivers? Self-driving solved it? > I have no idea what you meant by this. That doesn't logically follow. If buses don't affect your traffic flow, then you have enough road space so that residents can just use cars.