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Why should the goverment discourage such production instead of leave people free to pursue it? Do you expect (high) social costs from a failure there?

xyzzy123 1y ago
Farming sector in the UK was heavily subsidised in the past, not sure of today or what if any support rice farmers might be able to get. I agree it shouldn't be "discouraged" (as a private enterprise) but it seems reasonable to debate whether they should receive subsidies or grants etc. EDIT: this looks more like research than production, so I think it makes sense for it to be supported by grants.
- eru 1y ago
  Farming sector as a whole is heavily subsidised in most of Europe, but that doesn't mean everything you do as a farmer (and every crop) is subsidised. Eg potatoes grown for eating are almost completely unregulated and unsubsidised in the EU. Similar with grapes grown for eating. In comparison with potatoes grown for starch and wine grown for grapes. It's crazy.
  - swores 1y ago
    To be fair, without subsidies only fools would grow wine for grapes! (Sorry, just my way of pointing out a minor typo. If you edit without replying to me I'll delete this.)
    - asah 1y ago
      In general food production enjoys heavy government support... ... but then again, many industries do too. Libertarian tech bros think they are "self made" even in fact the government supported them with absolutely massive support, from government tech purchasing to supporting R&D and higher education to tax breaks to deregulation and more. Rant off.
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      - swores 1y ago
        The fact that you wrote this in reply to me makes me think you missed the point of my comment, which didn't actually have anything to do with subsidies - I was just pointing out they "growing wine to make grapes" is the wrong way round ;)
      - eru 1y ago
        Your average industry can't enjoy net subsidies: the money has to come from somewhere, so you have to tax at least as much as you subsidise. (Modulo shifting taxation around over time via debt.) Though I'm not sure what you are trying to say with your comment? Just because someone is in favour of reducing subsidies, doesn't necessary mean they want to abolish the government? Just like Bob being in favour of a weightloss diet for a morbidly obese Alice, friend doesn't mean Bob wants their normal sized friend Charlie to starve himself to death (nor does Bob want Alice to continue losing weight once she reached a healthy weight).
kryogen1c 1y ago
>>subsidize rice production or rice import tariffs >Why should the goverment discourage These are government measures to encourage rice production, not discourage it.

xyzzy123 1y ago

Farming sector in the UK was heavily subsidised in the past, not sure of today or what if any support rice farmers might be able to get. I agree it shouldn't be "discouraged" (as a private enterprise) but it seems reasonable to debate whether they should receive subsidies or grants etc. EDIT: this looks more like research than production, so I think it makes sense for it to be supported by grants.

eru 1y ago
Farming sector as a whole is heavily subsidised in most of Europe, but that doesn't mean everything you do as a farmer (and every crop) is subsidised. Eg potatoes grown for eating are almost completely unregulated and unsubsidised in the EU. Similar with grapes grown for eating. In comparison with potatoes grown for starch and wine grown for grapes. It's crazy.
- swores 1y ago
  To be fair, without subsidies only fools would grow wine for grapes! (Sorry, just my way of pointing out a minor typo. If you edit without replying to me I'll delete this.)
  - asah 1y ago
    In general food production enjoys heavy government support... ... but then again, many industries do too. Libertarian tech bros think they are "self made" even in fact the government supported them with absolutely massive support, from government tech purchasing to supporting R&D and higher education to tax breaks to deregulation and more. Rant off.
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    - swores 1y ago
      The fact that you wrote this in reply to me makes me think you missed the point of my comment, which didn't actually have anything to do with subsidies - I was just pointing out they "growing wine to make grapes" is the wrong way round ;)
    - eru 1y ago
      Your average industry can't enjoy net subsidies: the money has to come from somewhere, so you have to tax at least as much as you subsidise. (Modulo shifting taxation around over time via debt.) Though I'm not sure what you are trying to say with your comment? Just because someone is in favour of reducing subsidies, doesn't necessary mean they want to abolish the government? Just like Bob being in favour of a weightloss diet for a morbidly obese Alice, friend doesn't mean Bob wants their normal sized friend Charlie to starve himself to death (nor does Bob want Alice to continue losing weight once she reached a healthy weight).

kryogen1c 1y ago

>>subsidize rice production or rice import tariffs >Why should the goverment discourage These are government measures to encourage rice production, not discourage it.