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Why does the title specify the language used when it's not even mentioned on the home page?

by b_e_n_t_o_n 1y ago

nicce 1y ago
Marketing. Honestly, might not be good here since it is not library and not completely written in Rust.
- ajsnigrutin 1y ago
  Marketing for what exactly? I mean... why would I want this app instead of some other app? Just because it's written in the language of the week? If it said "20% faster than xyz" it would be a much better marketing than saying it's written in rust, even though more than half the code is typescript.
  - quicklime 1y ago
    The title also mentions that it’s open source, so it could be marketing for potential contributors.
    - sipjca 1y ago
      It's primarily this. I'm a novice Rust developer and really would like to improve the code quality across the board, and some of this comes to attracting the right kind of developers to help. Maybe "Rust" in the title helps, maybe it doesn't. Clearly HN doesn't like it and that's okay. I stated my need for help on the about page as well > This is my first Rust project, and it shows. There are bugs, rough edges, and architectural decisions that could be better. I’m documenting the known issues openly because I want everyone to understand what they are getting into, and encourage improvement in the project.
      - nicce 1y ago
        > Maybe "Rust" in the title helps, maybe it doesn't. Clearly HN doesn't like it and that's okay HN definitely likes it, when it is used in the correct context. Using Rust in the title is a soft promise for better reliability and quality for the software than on average. But it starts to get controversial when Rust is not purely the controlling part of the software anymore. So people start to complain because it can be misleading marketing which is based on the promise that Rust can offer.
        sipjca 1y ago
        Fair enough, most of the critical code in this case is written in Rust. A Rust transcription library popped out of the project `transcription-rs`. And there is a real-time audio library I'd like to put out which allows for filters. I could have called out to ffmpeg or similar, but I chose to implement an audio pipeline myself (for better or worse) So makes sense, but there are benefits to writing a desktop application backend in Rust for the ecosystem as well.
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  - tiberriver256 1y ago
    It's targeting a very specific group of devs who like to follow trendy stuff.. To that group saying something is "made in rust" is equivalent to saying "it's modern, fast, secure, and made by an expert programmer not some plebe who can't keep up with the times"
    - hamandcheese 1y ago
      > and made by an expert programmer Quite the opposite. You have to be more of an expert programmer to achieve those same goals in C. Rust lowers the skill bar. Anyways, I agree that the editorialization here is silly. But also, I am unashamed that "in Rust" does increase my interest in a piece of software, for several of the reasons you mentioned.
  - leoedin 1y ago
    I think there are tangible benefits to this being “not Java or JavaScript”. Or any language that brings a resource intensive runtime with it.
    - nicce 1y ago
      More than half is TypeScript to be fair.
  - ktosobcy 1y ago
    I'm not sure if it's purely down to "hype". For me I do tend to prefer apps written in rust/go(/c/etc-copiled) as they are usually less problematic to install (quie often single binary; less headache compared to python stuff for example) and most of the time less resource hungry (anything JS/electron based)... in the end "convenient shortcut to convey aforementioned benefits" :)
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
If it's Rust or Go it means I won't have to fuss with a runtime like Python or JS, nor a C++ build system
- mathverse 1y ago
  You dont have that using Electron app as well. The runtime is bundled with the binary.
- raffraffraff 1y ago
  Honestly the only thing I avoid these days is python. If something is written in python I generally give it a miss, especially if it has a GUI.
Leftium 1y ago
I just copied the title verbatim from the original Show HN: https://hw.leftium.com/#/item/44302416 https://hw.leftium.com/#/item/44302416 In case you also have a problem with not using the original HN link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44302416 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44302416 (I think the first link is easier to read (CSS/formatting/dark mode), slightly more compact, and contains a link to the original HN post. It's also simple to recreate the HN link manually by inspecting the ID.)

Why does the title specify the language used when it's not even mentioned on the home page?

nicce 1y ago

Marketing. Honestly, might not be good here since it is not library and not completely written in Rust.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago
Marketing for what exactly? I mean... why would I want this app instead of some other app? Just because it's written in the language of the week? If it said "20% faster than xyz" it would be a much better marketing than saying it's written in rust, even though more than half the code is typescript.
- quicklime 1y ago
  The title also mentions that it’s open source, so it could be marketing for potential contributors.
  - sipjca 1y ago
    It's primarily this. I'm a novice Rust developer and really would like to improve the code quality across the board, and some of this comes to attracting the right kind of developers to help. Maybe "Rust" in the title helps, maybe it doesn't. Clearly HN doesn't like it and that's okay. I stated my need for help on the about page as well > This is my first Rust project, and it shows. There are bugs, rough edges, and architectural decisions that could be better. I’m documenting the known issues openly because I want everyone to understand what they are getting into, and encourage improvement in the project.
    - nicce 1y ago
      > Maybe "Rust" in the title helps, maybe it doesn't. Clearly HN doesn't like it and that's okay HN definitely likes it, when it is used in the correct context. Using Rust in the title is a soft promise for better reliability and quality for the software than on average. But it starts to get controversial when Rust is not purely the controlling part of the software anymore. So people start to complain because it can be misleading marketing which is based on the promise that Rust can offer.
      - sipjca 1y ago
        Fair enough, most of the critical code in this case is written in Rust. A Rust transcription library popped out of the project `transcription-rs`. And there is a real-time audio library I'd like to put out which allows for filters. I could have called out to ffmpeg or similar, but I chose to implement an audio pipeline myself (for better or worse) So makes sense, but there are benefits to writing a desktop application backend in Rust for the ecosystem as well.
- deleted 1y ago
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- tiberriver256 1y ago
  It's targeting a very specific group of devs who like to follow trendy stuff.. To that group saying something is "made in rust" is equivalent to saying "it's modern, fast, secure, and made by an expert programmer not some plebe who can't keep up with the times"
  - hamandcheese 1y ago
    > and made by an expert programmer Quite the opposite. You have to be more of an expert programmer to achieve those same goals in C. Rust lowers the skill bar. Anyways, I agree that the editorialization here is silly. But also, I am unashamed that "in Rust" does increase my interest in a piece of software, for several of the reasons you mentioned.
- leoedin 1y ago
  I think there are tangible benefits to this being “not Java or JavaScript”. Or any language that brings a resource intensive runtime with it.
  - nicce 1y ago
    More than half is TypeScript to be fair.
- ktosobcy 1y ago
  I'm not sure if it's purely down to "hype". For me I do tend to prefer apps written in rust/go(/c/etc-copiled) as they are usually less problematic to install (quie often single binary; less headache compared to python stuff for example) and most of the time less resource hungry (anything JS/electron based)... in the end "convenient shortcut to convey aforementioned benefits" :)

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago

If it's Rust or Go it means I won't have to fuss with a runtime like Python or JS, nor a C++ build system

mathverse 1y ago
You dont have that using Electron app as well. The runtime is bundled with the binary.
raffraffraff 1y ago
Honestly the only thing I avoid these days is python. If something is written in python I generally give it a miss, especially if it has a GUI.

Leftium 1y ago

I just copied the title verbatim from the original Show HN: https://hw.leftium.com/#/item/44302416 https://hw.leftium.com/#/item/44302416 In case you also have a problem with not using the original HN link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44302416 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44302416 (I think the first link is easier to read (CSS/formatting/dark mode), slightly more compact, and contains a link to the original HN post. It's also simple to recreate the HN link manually by inspecting the ID.)