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Most “enterprise apps” these days are web based SaaS apps. The PC games market is really not that large in the grand scheme of things and what serious game pla

Most “enterprise apps” these days are web based SaaS apps. The PC games market is really not that large in the grand scheme of things and what serious game player would want to play games on laptop class hardware? Even with the iPad Pro you are talking about MacBook Air level hardware with worse thermals for games. And the most popular office Apps - Microsoft Office and GSuite are a per seat license - for both home and office. Meaning you can use the apps on your phone, laptop, or mobile devices and sync apps between them. How many productivity apps don’t “fit in Apple’s guideline”?

zamadatix 1y ago
You should talk to this person for me https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45399380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45399380 since they argue these chips are already ideal for high intensity video games. It doesn't have to be AAA titles though, many games (simple and advance) make it to the "top paid apps" section of the app store once they "make the leap across" so to say. The thing is, not every game/app has made the leap, and when they do they don't all transfer ownership. I don't mean office apps, I mean enterprise apps. I do see them becoming more web focused with time (which I think is a good thing - it's ultra portable when they are) but we're certainly not ready to claim victory just because most email and document editing can be done from a webview. Hell, there's one app I have to use daily which is still officially only 32 bit Windows (it, thankfully, works in Crossover).
- JustExAWS 1y ago
  What are these enterprise apps? And how many of them would run on an ARM based Mac? If they don’t port them to Macs, what are the chances they would port them to iPads?
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    I'll refer back to: > Hell, there's one app I have to use daily which is still officially only 32 bit Windows (it, thankfully, works in Crossover). As an example. This one is Intangi IRIS, a BOM and quoting tool for network products, and they officially support Crossover. They've been talking about native macOS support since before I started using it in 2019... but that's the speed of business for you :). It's the long tail of apps like these that can make it painful - not the bulk of the day (email, conference calls, and web ticketing systems) itself.
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      Then it that case, it wouldn’t matter if the iPad gained the capabilities of the Mac. It would never run the bespoke enterprise software unless Apple ported the x86 emulator to it. Even then the x86 emulator doesn’t support 32 bit software.
      - zamadatix 1y ago
        I'm not sure I follow. As already explained, the example given works for me on macOS today since I can install Crossover (which is an officially supported install method by Intangi - not a custom hack) which is not allowed/supported on the App Store/iPad. Crossover handles 32 bit x86 Windows apps on Apple Silicon fine, even though Apple themselves don't, since right after Apple Silicon launched https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2020/11/18/okay-im-on-the-bandwagon-apple-silicon-is-officially-cool https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2020/11/18/okay-im-o... You're saying there is some other reason it wouldn't work if I ran macOS/had macOS's capabilities on an M4 iPad chassis instead of an M4 MacBook chassis? Btw, I don't think you'd intend to go against the site guidelines by it (I figure it's probably just two separate logins on two separate devices or something), but if you're using multiple accounts in the same conversations it does go against them.
        scarface_74 1y ago
        That was not my intention at all (to have multiple accounts on the same conversation). I knew not to upvote myself or downvote a reply - which I did not do. But back to the point, i always thought of custom bespoke enterprise apps were ones that usually ignored the Mac and especially ARM Macs. Fair point - but a niche case I don’t see Apple going out of their way to support. Before iPad OS 26 and real windows, I would have thought that the iPad would be frustrating even for mainstream office work. I could definitely see myself using my wife’s iPad 13 Air now full time - she does except for development tasks. My old A12 iPad Air fromn 2019 runs iOS 26 halfway decently even with only 3GB RAM. And Apple has never really cared about “the enterprise”
        1y ago

zamadatix 1y ago

You should talk to this person for me https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45399380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45399380 since they argue these chips are already ideal for high intensity video games. It doesn't have to be AAA titles though, many games (simple and advance) make it to the "top paid apps" section of the app store once they "make the leap across" so to say. The thing is, not every game/app has made the leap, and when they do they don't all transfer ownership. I don't mean office apps, I mean enterprise apps. I do see them becoming more web focused with time (which I think is a good thing - it's ultra portable when they are) but we're certainly not ready to claim victory just because most email and document editing can be done from a webview. Hell, there's one app I have to use daily which is still officially only 32 bit Windows (it, thankfully, works in Crossover).

JustExAWS 1y ago
What are these enterprise apps? And how many of them would run on an ARM based Mac? If they don’t port them to Macs, what are the chances they would port them to iPads?
- zamadatix 1y ago
  I'll refer back to: > Hell, there's one app I have to use daily which is still officially only 32 bit Windows (it, thankfully, works in Crossover). As an example. This one is Intangi IRIS, a BOM and quoting tool for network products, and they officially support Crossover. They've been talking about native macOS support since before I started using it in 2019... but that's the speed of business for you :). It's the long tail of apps like these that can make it painful - not the bulk of the day (email, conference calls, and web ticketing systems) itself.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Then it that case, it wouldn’t matter if the iPad gained the capabilities of the Mac. It would never run the bespoke enterprise software unless Apple ported the x86 emulator to it. Even then the x86 emulator doesn’t support 32 bit software.
    - zamadatix 1y ago
      I'm not sure I follow. As already explained, the example given works for me on macOS today since I can install Crossover (which is an officially supported install method by Intangi - not a custom hack) which is not allowed/supported on the App Store/iPad. Crossover handles 32 bit x86 Windows apps on Apple Silicon fine, even though Apple themselves don't, since right after Apple Silicon launched https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2020/11/18/okay-im-on-the-bandwagon-apple-silicon-is-officially-cool https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2020/11/18/okay-im-o... You're saying there is some other reason it wouldn't work if I ran macOS/had macOS's capabilities on an M4 iPad chassis instead of an M4 MacBook chassis? Btw, I don't think you'd intend to go against the site guidelines by it (I figure it's probably just two separate logins on two separate devices or something), but if you're using multiple accounts in the same conversations it does go against them.
      - scarface_74 1y ago
        That was not my intention at all (to have multiple accounts on the same conversation). I knew not to upvote myself or downvote a reply - which I did not do. But back to the point, i always thought of custom bespoke enterprise apps were ones that usually ignored the Mac and especially ARM Macs. Fair point - but a niche case I don’t see Apple going out of their way to support. Before iPad OS 26 and real windows, I would have thought that the iPad would be frustrating even for mainstream office work. I could definitely see myself using my wife’s iPad 13 Air now full time - she does except for development tasks. My old A12 iPad Air fromn 2019 runs iOS 26 halfway decently even with only 3GB RAM. And Apple has never really cared about “the enterprise”
        1y ago