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Imagine building a Bugatti and installing an unremovable speed limiter that forced you to top out at 75 MPH What workload are you envisaging to be run on an iP

Imagine building a Bugatti and installing an unremovable speed limiter that forced you to top out at 75 MPH What workload are you envisaging to be run on an iPhone where this even matters? Hyperbole aside, what target population of iPhone users even care about overclocking, and specifically what tangible benefit will they get out of it?

alex989 1y ago
You are completely missing his point. It's not about the mhz, it's about making a super high performence product but refusing to let you use it for things that actually benefit from that performance.
- commandersaki 1y ago
  Are they?
- whynotminot 1y ago
  I actually really don’t see the point. Yea, in this consumer smart phone, there are limits on what you can do with this chip because the operating system is tuned for phone stuff, not workstation stuff. But there’s good news — this architecture will end up in MacBooks, Mac minis, Mac Studios etc. It’s like complaining that they put a good engine in a civic when you can also buy that good engine in other configurations that will let you do more with it. So why insist on doing it on a phone?
  - alex989 1y ago
    The limit is artificial. That's the entire point. There is no laws or bible verse telling apple it's illigal to let you use the cpu on your phone for workstation workloads. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hook up your phone to a usb dock, boot Linux/windows/macos and get a workstation that's faster than a 2000$ laptop? Sure you can buy a Mac mini, but iphone owners already have one in their pocket.
    - whynotminot 1y ago
      In a vacuum any added capability seems nice. And it seems so simple: "just let me go into desktop mode." In practice, the engineering effort to enable that just doesn't seem worth it. And in a zero-sum world of engineer time, a cost better spent elsewhere. Let my laptop be a laptop, and focus on making that experience the best it can be. And let my phone be a phone, and focus on making that experience the best it can be. I think people fundamentally don't understand Apple when they want them to engage in the same kind of "jack of all trades master of none" pursuits that led to subpar Windows experiences and the fragmented Android ecosystem. You can kind of see Apple dabbling with this a bit with iPadOS. And it's an absolute mess. My least favorite operating system Apple makes. All available evidence right now points to Apple simply not being able to neatly converge different computing paradigms. They are right to show restraint with their most important product. I'm ok with them experimenting with this with the iPad, because frankly, the iPad does not matter. But I do not want Apple to mess up the phone for the two people on hacker news that want to hook theirs up to a thunderbolt dock.
lomase 1y ago
The guy you are replying to. They are the target population. Or myself. If I pay for hardware, I want to use it however I want. I know that is a fucking crazy idea for them corporation bootlickers.
- commandersaki 1y ago
  I was asking in quantity rather than identifying those users; tacitly implying that there is a negligible amount of users that actually care or want this as top priority. I know some people, especially on a site like this, might find offence in this, but I'm just stating the reality of the situation.
  - lomase 1y ago
    The focus on profit instead of hacker culture is the cancer of this site. To me feels like you have a paratistic relationship with the brand of your phone maker. And you will fight other individuals to defend their monopolistic actions.
    - commandersaki 1y ago
      I mean my relationship with the brand or phone maker is immaterial, even though I have a significant investment and appreciate their direction in general. But to address your concern, Apple is clearly not for you and that is fine, you have choices, like the premium value and control you get with PinePhone. No corporate bootlicking required!
      - lomase 1y ago
        Apple makes the best chips on the market and Linux is the best SO for servers on the market. The choices are to run a worst OS or a worst CPU. How did not I see how many choices I have, I must be blind! Thanks for opening my eyes mate.
        commandersaki 1y ago

alex989 1y ago

You are completely missing his point. It's not about the mhz, it's about making a super high performence product but refusing to let you use it for things that actually benefit from that performance.

commandersaki 1y ago
Are they?
whynotminot 1y ago
I actually really don’t see the point. Yea, in this consumer smart phone, there are limits on what you can do with this chip because the operating system is tuned for phone stuff, not workstation stuff. But there’s good news — this architecture will end up in MacBooks, Mac minis, Mac Studios etc. It’s like complaining that they put a good engine in a civic when you can also buy that good engine in other configurations that will let you do more with it. So why insist on doing it on a phone?
- alex989 1y ago
  The limit is artificial. That's the entire point. There is no laws or bible verse telling apple it's illigal to let you use the cpu on your phone for workstation workloads. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hook up your phone to a usb dock, boot Linux/windows/macos and get a workstation that's faster than a 2000$ laptop? Sure you can buy a Mac mini, but iphone owners already have one in their pocket.
  - whynotminot 1y ago
    In a vacuum any added capability seems nice. And it seems so simple: "just let me go into desktop mode." In practice, the engineering effort to enable that just doesn't seem worth it. And in a zero-sum world of engineer time, a cost better spent elsewhere. Let my laptop be a laptop, and focus on making that experience the best it can be. And let my phone be a phone, and focus on making that experience the best it can be. I think people fundamentally don't understand Apple when they want them to engage in the same kind of "jack of all trades master of none" pursuits that led to subpar Windows experiences and the fragmented Android ecosystem. You can kind of see Apple dabbling with this a bit with iPadOS. And it's an absolute mess. My least favorite operating system Apple makes. All available evidence right now points to Apple simply not being able to neatly converge different computing paradigms. They are right to show restraint with their most important product. I'm ok with them experimenting with this with the iPad, because frankly, the iPad does not matter. But I do not want Apple to mess up the phone for the two people on hacker news that want to hook theirs up to a thunderbolt dock.

lomase 1y ago

The guy you are replying to. They are the target population. Or myself. If I pay for hardware, I want to use it however I want. I know that is a fucking crazy idea for them corporation bootlickers.

commandersaki 1y ago
I was asking in quantity rather than identifying those users; tacitly implying that there is a negligible amount of users that actually care or want this as top priority. I know some people, especially on a site like this, might find offence in this, but I'm just stating the reality of the situation.
- lomase 1y ago
  The focus on profit instead of hacker culture is the cancer of this site. To me feels like you have a paratistic relationship with the brand of your phone maker. And you will fight other individuals to defend their monopolistic actions.
  - commandersaki 1y ago
    I mean my relationship with the brand or phone maker is immaterial, even though I have a significant investment and appreciate their direction in general. But to address your concern, Apple is clearly not for you and that is fine, you have choices, like the premium value and control you get with PinePhone. No corporate bootlicking required!
    - lomase 1y ago
      Apple makes the best chips on the market and Linux is the best SO for servers on the market. The choices are to run a worst OS or a worst CPU. How did not I see how many choices I have, I must be blind! Thanks for opening my eyes mate.
      - commandersaki 1y ago