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"You cannot kill an idea," was my biggest takeaway from my undergrad civilization course. The maximum has yet to fail. Usually these things end up bringing mor

"You cannot kill an idea," was my biggest takeaway from my undergrad civilization course. The maximum has yet to fail. Usually these things end up bringing more attention to a specific group or cause due to the Streisand Effect.

fifteen1506 1y ago
No studies on this area, so you have more street cred than me on this but.... You can't kill an idea, but you can severely maim it for a generation or 2.
anon7725 1y ago
Maxim
jasonwatkinspdx 1y ago
We have clear examples of authoritarian states successfully suppressing specific topics. It's not so much about killing it as creating a line where consequences start happening. China is one example, where being too vocal about certain topics online can land you in a police station interview. I don't think we should be overly confident that similar things can't happen in the US or EU. And indeed, in the US we're seeing the administration successfully pressure changes at educational institutions for example. We're already uncomfortably far down this road imo.
- aaomidi 1y ago
  Tbf we’ve kinda had these taboo topics in the US for a while.
dyauspitr 1y ago
The right is great at “killing” ideas or atleast the momentum for it. The left has been keeping true to the first amendment rights. It needs to start doing what the right does when it doesn’t like ideas. Somewhat violently shut it down. The right doesn’t care about free speech unless it’s for their specific goals.
- mkfs 1y ago
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  - splatter9859 1y ago
    Funny. In my five+ decades on this planet, I seem to find the right more apt and eager to employ 'thuggish authoritarian attempts' -- akin to my time growing up in East Germany. But now being in America for over a decade it's really not much different. Same tune. Same song. Different cast and scenery.
  - weakfish 1y ago
    The Cato institute is _hardly_ an unbiased source. Regardless, even if we take your premise to be true, does that at _all_ justify what’s in TFA?
thaumasiotes 1y ago
> The maxim[] has yet to fail. The Eleusinian Mysteries aren't what they were. In fact, we don't know what they were.

fifteen1506 1y ago

No studies on this area, so you have more street cred than me on this but.... You can't kill an idea, but you can severely maim it for a generation or 2.

anon7725 1y ago

Maxim

jasonwatkinspdx 1y ago

We have clear examples of authoritarian states successfully suppressing specific topics. It's not so much about killing it as creating a line where consequences start happening. China is one example, where being too vocal about certain topics online can land you in a police station interview. I don't think we should be overly confident that similar things can't happen in the US or EU. And indeed, in the US we're seeing the administration successfully pressure changes at educational institutions for example. We're already uncomfortably far down this road imo.

aaomidi 1y ago
Tbf we’ve kinda had these taboo topics in the US for a while.

dyauspitr 1y ago

The right is great at “killing” ideas or atleast the momentum for it. The left has been keeping true to the first amendment rights. It needs to start doing what the right does when it doesn’t like ideas. Somewhat violently shut it down. The right doesn’t care about free speech unless it’s for their specific goals.

mkfs 1y ago
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- splatter9859 1y ago
  Funny. In my five+ decades on this planet, I seem to find the right more apt and eager to employ 'thuggish authoritarian attempts' -- akin to my time growing up in East Germany. But now being in America for over a decade it's really not much different. Same tune. Same song. Different cast and scenery.
- weakfish 1y ago
  The Cato institute is _hardly_ an unbiased source. Regardless, even if we take your premise to be true, does that at _all_ justify what’s in TFA?

thaumasiotes 1y ago

> The maxim[] has yet to fail. The Eleusinian Mysteries aren't what they were. In fact, we don't know what they were.