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Wouldn't it be so cool if you could actually do anything with it? Imagine building a Bugatti and installing an unremovable speed limiter that forced you to top

Wouldn't it be so cool if you could actually do anything with it? Imagine building a Bugatti and installing an unremovable speed limiter that forced you to top out at 75 MPH, because of course you're never going to take it to a track. It was only intended for highway travel at best. But hey, you can scroll at 120hz now, right? Think different! All this tells me is that Intel and AMD are the only manufacturers making leading chips that you can do anything with. Edit: Fixed last sentence.

bogwog 1y ago
I agree with what you said but... > Intel is the only manufacturer making leading chips lol wat
tredre3 1y ago
> All this tells me is that Intel is the only manufacturer making leading chips that you can do anything with. From context you seem to be talking about overclocking. In which case only a handful of Intel chips are unlocked per generation. By contrast, most of AMD chips are unlocked.
patchymcnoodles 1y ago
As another commenter said, the part with Intel is the only manufacturer making leading chips, doesn't really makes sense. Right now Intel is losing a lot, lucky to them Nvidia invested. So far I would only use AMD. In my desktop is an AMD, because it is just the fastest desktop CPU und the threadrippers are absolute multicore beasts for servers.
- freedomben 1y ago
  I've been super impressed with AMD chips as well. I have actually had to try to find CPU bound use cases because the damn thing is so fast it makes you question if it actually worked
rudimentary_phy 1y ago
I'm not sure about the Intel thing, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to use it the way you want. You're talking about a company that limits you from having a comma on the front of the iPhone keyboard. Why?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
  Bicycle for the mind! /s
- huflungdung 1y ago
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semireg 1y ago
Cars are often artificially detuned to the trim level that’s inscribed on the boot.
cortesoft 1y ago
You can’t do anything with AMD chips?
NaomiLehman 1y ago
what? Intel chips are the worst out of all of them. AMD is steadily gaining % in supercomputers. M silicon is very efficient on workstations for dev work.
freedomben 1y ago
Upvoted because 90% of your comment is great so doesn't deserve to be grayed out, but the Intel bit is wrong. I would definitely recommend checking out AMDs offerings and then backpedaling on the Intel claim because even my four year old AMD chip absolutely screams
- andrewmcwatters 1y ago
  I use AMD chips, so I’m not terribly swayed by these numbers. I fixed the sentence to reflect my sentiments.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    Good man, much appreciated!
whynotminot 1y ago
What is the thing you are trying to do? These phones record 4K video at 120 frames a second. They play high intensity video games. They run on device language models. People keep their iPhones for years — this power will ensure these phones can run iOS versions 5, 6, even 7 years from now. And the uArch you’re seeing here will end up re-purposed for big brother M series chips in laptops and desktops. So what exactly do you want?
- zamadatix 1y ago
  This is what they are saying - the power is there, but iOS severely gets in the way of interacting with it properly any time you step out of the box of "touch first Apple approved mobile experiences". It'd be awesome if one device could be my phone and laptop instead of trying to make do with the screen share on two completely separate systems. The iPads even more so, as some literally have the same kinds of hardware as a MacBook already (minus the keyboard detaches).
  - whynotminot 1y ago
    This is such a niche ask. Even Android doesn’t let you do this. Samsung has Dex and most people report it as subpar novelty. Buy a laptop you’ll be ok.
    - zamadatix 1y ago
      Android and ChromeOS are merging for these kinds of experiences https://chromeunboxed.com/its-official-google-says-the-android-and-chromeos-merger-is-coming-next-year/ https://chromeunboxed.com/its-official-google-says-the-andro... and both have already opened up to running anything you'd like in Linux on the side. That said, Android wasn't exactly my first pick of flexibility either. > Buy a laptop you’ll be ok. This kind of comment is uncalled for. Anyways, as mentioned, I do the screenshare to a MacBook today. The advantage of having both is clearly for Apple though, not me.
lomase 1y ago
I sad that in a place with hacker on its name people are contrarian when somebody wants to use the computer they bougth for whatever they want.
- andrewmcwatters 1y ago
  It’s definitely sad and weird. Times and people have changed. For whatever reason the community now is filled with a weird mix of corporate bootlickers who want to give the largest corporations money while they take away our freedoms and they simultaneously want to make known their entitled behavior by claiming individual developers and small businesses should only ever give away their software for free. It was bad enough people here chime in technical conversations that they have no experience with loudly contesting the points of actual experts and practitioners, but now they also want to tell us that we don’t have a right to use our property how we want.
  - lomase 1y ago
    Even if times have changed I will keep being anoying about this. The hacker culture is something that fascinated me as teenager and the reason I am able to pay the bills today. I don't really know what would be of me without it.
  - commandersaki 1y ago
    It’s definitely sad and weird. Times and people have changed. Yeah, I grew up tinkering with Linux since 1994; was good times. I've changed. For whatever reason the community now is filled with a weird mix of corporate bootlickers who want to give the largest corporations money while they take away our freedoms and they simultaneously want to make known their entitled behavior by claiming individual developers and small businesses should only ever give away their software for free. A bit after the turn of the millennium I became legally blind and I also needed to eat. Apple was able to serve my needs with their accessibility tools and keep me fully functional without additional costs beyond the hardware and base software, and still to this day. Nothing had come close back then nor now. While I appreciate Stallman's ideals and how he wouldn't use assistive technology if it isn't free software, I can't succumb to those artificial restrictions. The reality is that I would have been much worse off financially, being self-sufficient, going through studies, progressing in my career, etc. if it wasn't for Apple's accessibility tech. So yeah I'll own the whole corporate bootlicker nonsense, and it's why in later years of my life I now invest in Apple, because they deliver usable solutions to real problems to the vast population rather than cater to an insignificant population with piddly ideals. It must be nice if your only issue with tech is that you need it to go brrrrrrrr.
commandersaki 1y ago
Imagine building a Bugatti and installing an unremovable speed limiter that forced you to top out at 75 MPH What workload are you envisaging to be run on an iPhone where this even matters? Hyperbole aside, what target population of iPhone users even care about overclocking, and specifically what tangible benefit will they get out of it?
- alex989 1y ago
  You are completely missing his point. It's not about the mhz, it's about making a super high performence product but refusing to let you use it for things that actually benefit from that performance.
  - commandersaki 1y ago
    Are they?
  - whynotminot 1y ago
    I actually really don’t see the point. Yea, in this consumer smart phone, there are limits on what you can do with this chip because the operating system is tuned for phone stuff, not workstation stuff. But there’s good news — this architecture will end up in MacBooks, Mac minis, Mac Studios etc. It’s like complaining that they put a good engine in a civic when you can also buy that good engine in other configurations that will let you do more with it. So why insist on doing it on a phone?
    - alex989 1y ago
      The limit is artificial. That's the entire point. There is no laws or bible verse telling apple it's illigal to let you use the cpu on your phone for workstation workloads. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hook up your phone to a usb dock, boot Linux/windows/macos and get a workstation that's faster than a 2000$ laptop? Sure you can buy a Mac mini, but iphone owners already have one in their pocket.
      - 1y ago
musicale 1y ago
> All this tells me is that Intel and AMD are the only manufacturers making leading chips that you can do anything with. I've heard that Nvidia makes some GPUs that you can do things with.
ranger_danger 1y ago
What can't you do that 99% of customers actually want to do with it?

bogwog 1y ago

I agree with what you said but... > Intel is the only manufacturer making leading chips lol wat

tredre3 1y ago

> All this tells me is that Intel is the only manufacturer making leading chips that you can do anything with. From context you seem to be talking about overclocking. In which case only a handful of Intel chips are unlocked per generation. By contrast, most of AMD chips are unlocked.

patchymcnoodles 1y ago

As another commenter said, the part with Intel is the only manufacturer making leading chips, doesn't really makes sense. Right now Intel is losing a lot, lucky to them Nvidia invested. So far I would only use AMD. In my desktop is an AMD, because it is just the fastest desktop CPU und the threadrippers are absolute multicore beasts for servers.

freedomben 1y ago
I've been super impressed with AMD chips as well. I have actually had to try to find CPU bound use cases because the damn thing is so fast it makes you question if it actually worked

rudimentary_phy 1y ago

I'm not sure about the Intel thing, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to use it the way you want. You're talking about a company that limits you from having a comma on the front of the iPhone keyboard. Why?

2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
Bicycle for the mind! /s
huflungdung 1y ago
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semireg 1y ago

Cars are often artificially detuned to the trim level that’s inscribed on the boot.

cortesoft 1y ago

You can’t do anything with AMD chips?

NaomiLehman 1y ago

what? Intel chips are the worst out of all of them. AMD is steadily gaining % in supercomputers. M silicon is very efficient on workstations for dev work.

freedomben 1y ago

Upvoted because 90% of your comment is great so doesn't deserve to be grayed out, but the Intel bit is wrong. I would definitely recommend checking out AMDs offerings and then backpedaling on the Intel claim because even my four year old AMD chip absolutely screams

andrewmcwatters 1y ago
I use AMD chips, so I’m not terribly swayed by these numbers. I fixed the sentence to reflect my sentiments.
- freedomben 1y ago
  Good man, much appreciated!

whynotminot 1y ago

What is the thing you are trying to do? These phones record 4K video at 120 frames a second. They play high intensity video games. They run on device language models. People keep their iPhones for years — this power will ensure these phones can run iOS versions 5, 6, even 7 years from now. And the uArch you’re seeing here will end up re-purposed for big brother M series chips in laptops and desktops. So what exactly do you want?

zamadatix 1y ago
This is what they are saying - the power is there, but iOS severely gets in the way of interacting with it properly any time you step out of the box of "touch first Apple approved mobile experiences". It'd be awesome if one device could be my phone and laptop instead of trying to make do with the screen share on two completely separate systems. The iPads even more so, as some literally have the same kinds of hardware as a MacBook already (minus the keyboard detaches).
- whynotminot 1y ago
  This is such a niche ask. Even Android doesn’t let you do this. Samsung has Dex and most people report it as subpar novelty. Buy a laptop you’ll be ok.
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    Android and ChromeOS are merging for these kinds of experiences https://chromeunboxed.com/its-official-google-says-the-android-and-chromeos-merger-is-coming-next-year/ https://chromeunboxed.com/its-official-google-says-the-andro... and both have already opened up to running anything you'd like in Linux on the side. That said, Android wasn't exactly my first pick of flexibility either. > Buy a laptop you’ll be ok. This kind of comment is uncalled for. Anyways, as mentioned, I do the screenshare to a MacBook today. The advantage of having both is clearly for Apple though, not me.

lomase 1y ago

I sad that in a place with hacker on its name people are contrarian when somebody wants to use the computer they bougth for whatever they want.

andrewmcwatters 1y ago
It’s definitely sad and weird. Times and people have changed. For whatever reason the community now is filled with a weird mix of corporate bootlickers who want to give the largest corporations money while they take away our freedoms and they simultaneously want to make known their entitled behavior by claiming individual developers and small businesses should only ever give away their software for free. It was bad enough people here chime in technical conversations that they have no experience with loudly contesting the points of actual experts and practitioners, but now they also want to tell us that we don’t have a right to use our property how we want.
- lomase 1y ago
  Even if times have changed I will keep being anoying about this. The hacker culture is something that fascinated me as teenager and the reason I am able to pay the bills today. I don't really know what would be of me without it.
- commandersaki 1y ago
  It’s definitely sad and weird. Times and people have changed. Yeah, I grew up tinkering with Linux since 1994; was good times. I've changed. For whatever reason the community now is filled with a weird mix of corporate bootlickers who want to give the largest corporations money while they take away our freedoms and they simultaneously want to make known their entitled behavior by claiming individual developers and small businesses should only ever give away their software for free. A bit after the turn of the millennium I became legally blind and I also needed to eat. Apple was able to serve my needs with their accessibility tools and keep me fully functional without additional costs beyond the hardware and base software, and still to this day. Nothing had come close back then nor now. While I appreciate Stallman's ideals and how he wouldn't use assistive technology if it isn't free software, I can't succumb to those artificial restrictions. The reality is that I would have been much worse off financially, being self-sufficient, going through studies, progressing in my career, etc. if it wasn't for Apple's accessibility tech. So yeah I'll own the whole corporate bootlicker nonsense, and it's why in later years of my life I now invest in Apple, because they deliver usable solutions to real problems to the vast population rather than cater to an insignificant population with piddly ideals. It must be nice if your only issue with tech is that you need it to go brrrrrrrr.

commandersaki 1y ago

Imagine building a Bugatti and installing an unremovable speed limiter that forced you to top out at 75 MPH What workload are you envisaging to be run on an iPhone where this even matters? Hyperbole aside, what target population of iPhone users even care about overclocking, and specifically what tangible benefit will they get out of it?

alex989 1y ago
You are completely missing his point. It's not about the mhz, it's about making a super high performence product but refusing to let you use it for things that actually benefit from that performance.
- commandersaki 1y ago
  Are they?
- whynotminot 1y ago
  I actually really don’t see the point. Yea, in this consumer smart phone, there are limits on what you can do with this chip because the operating system is tuned for phone stuff, not workstation stuff. But there’s good news — this architecture will end up in MacBooks, Mac minis, Mac Studios etc. It’s like complaining that they put a good engine in a civic when you can also buy that good engine in other configurations that will let you do more with it. So why insist on doing it on a phone?
  - alex989 1y ago
    The limit is artificial. That's the entire point. There is no laws or bible verse telling apple it's illigal to let you use the cpu on your phone for workstation workloads. Wouldn't it be nice if you could hook up your phone to a usb dock, boot Linux/windows/macos and get a workstation that's faster than a 2000$ laptop? Sure you can buy a Mac mini, but iphone owners already have one in their pocket.
    - 1y ago

musicale 1y ago

> All this tells me is that Intel and AMD are the only manufacturers making leading chips that you can do anything with. I've heard that Nvidia makes some GPUs that you can do things with.

ranger_danger 1y ago

What can't you do that 99% of customers actually want to do with it?