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I see so many on HN say they got 10 times more productive but nobody ever has anything to show.

by Lionga 1y ago

WalterSear 1y ago
I don't think that my product demos will tell you much about how effective AI has been, but here: https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic Now you can't say nobody has anything to show. This does real-time DSP (time stretching, effects, analog emulation), in a language I didn't know when I started (C++), that I started a couple of months ago. I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense.
- weikju 1y ago
  > I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense. And this is why untold billions are sunk into AI. Creates a dependency on their services and removes agency from end users. Edit: yes I’m aware it adds agency in the sense that some people can do things they couldn’t do before… as long as that’s permitted/surveilles, which is where the agency is lost.
  - WalterSear 1y ago
    Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. I've don't see how I've lost agency. It's not like it's made me a worse coder: getting so much faster with AI hasn't made me slower without it.
    - weikju 1y ago
      > hasn't made me slower without it > > cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day Aside from the contradictory statements, I did address your points in my edit. I get the tradeoff. As long as whatever you do is in line with the providers of the services, and as long as you're ok with the surveillance, then sure... It's a tradeoff that MUST be considered and be aware of..
    - weikju 1y ago
      > Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. You can get stuff done without these.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    Do cars remove agency from drivers? If I'm on a road trip, and 200 miles into it, 100 miles from my destination, it breaks down, should I start walking, or find another motorized vehicle to complete my journey? Local models exist.
Balinares 1y ago
I can readily believe that undiscriminating enthusiasts are getting 10x as much code out. Why that might not translate to an increase in software quality and feature count is left as an exercise to the weary senior reader.
- WalterSear 1y ago
  I've been coding for 25+ years. My code has never been cleaner. With AI, refactoring is cheap and safe.

I see so many on HN say they got 10 times more productive but nobody ever has anything to show.

by Lionga 1y ago

I see so many on HN say they got 10 times more productive but nobody ever has anything to show.

I don't think that my product demos will tell you much about how effective AI has been, but here: https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic Now you can't say nobody has anything to show. This does real-time DSP (time stretching, effects, analog emulation), in a language I didn't know when I started (C++), that I started a couple of months ago. I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense.

weikju 1y ago
> I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense. And this is why untold billions are sunk into AI. Creates a dependency on their services and removes agency from end users. Edit: yes I’m aware it adds agency in the sense that some people can do things they couldn’t do before… as long as that’s permitted/surveilles, which is where the agency is lost.
- WalterSear 1y ago
  Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. I've don't see how I've lost agency. It's not like it's made me a worse coder: getting so much faster with AI hasn't made me slower without it.
  - weikju 1y ago
    > hasn't made me slower without it > > cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day Aside from the contradictory statements, I did address your points in my edit. I get the tradeoff. As long as whatever you do is in line with the providers of the services, and as long as you're ok with the surveillance, then sure... It's a tradeoff that MUST be considered and be aware of..
  - weikju 1y ago
    > Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. You can get stuff done without these.
- fragmede 1y ago
  Do cars remove agency from drivers? If I'm on a road trip, and 200 miles into it, 100 miles from my destination, it breaks down, should I start walking, or find another motorized vehicle to complete my journey? Local models exist.

Balinares 1y ago

I can readily believe that undiscriminating enthusiasts are getting 10x as much code out. Why that might not translate to an increase in software quality and feature count is left as an exercise to the weary senior reader.

WalterSear 1y ago
I've been coding for 25+ years. My code has never been cleaner. With AI, refactoring is cheap and safe.